Originally posted by jsherman999 Here?
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Quit crying in your beer feeling sorry for your pathetic selves and get on with your lives."
You often take these discussions as a personal affront, for some reason, and lash out in ways like that. Not sure why, and it's not consistent - sometimes you seem to be in a good mood, sometimes not. I'd suggest you try to stick to equipment discussions in other parts of the forum if it gets you so worked up to be in here...
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So, for the record, glassjunkie, if Pentax comes out with a FF body and lenses...
how will you reconcile that? Are they making a huge, huge mistake? Should they have consulted you?
Great Question. Let me poke at an answer... The "mistake" you suggest is a decision Ricoh Pentax makes on behalf of it's shareholders.... And its other stakeholders (customers ans employees) If they make one ant it is a success, good for all, Including me (I want a strong company that can support what I bought to date). If it fails (and since I am not a shareholder in Ricoh, it will only affect the resale on my equipment and may affect their ability to provide quality service on it). My only concerns. As for what I see for other Site visitors, Pentax (if they fail on the FF journey, would have squandered tremendous brand equity and loyalty which is part of their value to both customers and shareholders, a bad move. If they do it, they sure had better do it right, else be the next Contax or Konica, or Minolta, or Bessler Topcon, or whatever, and become another dead end. Sux...
More importantly, a majority of Ricoh stock is held by institutions, so risk averse capital allocations are likely to take the front seat. They want predictable cash flows to float pension funds, etc. Particularly in Japan. A VERY risk averse capital allocation environment. I worked for a Pentax affiliate (kiretsu partner) in Japan in the early 90s.Wrong bet get's you a "window seat"...
They surely should NOT have consulted me, I am an outsider with limited value and input. The members of this forum are a better sample, albeit skewed by their interest in the brand. They need a very large focus group, multi-modal in enthusiasts (aptly labeled by another forum member as the folks that spend money), "Pros" (whatever that means, best segmented by the type of work supported: sports, landscapes, Architecture, Wildlife, Portraits/ weddings, etc.), and niche players (technicals, medicals, archivists with special needs). Only then will they have enough of a basis to make a decent (albeit never perfect) business decision.
If they make a FF DSLR in the next 2 years without a FULL set of lenses, I will celebrate the fact that I am not a shareholder. Subsidizing a third party is silly and in addition, NOT the Japanese way (unless there is licensing, interlocking directorates, or equity shares in the third party involved). If they do it in 2-3 years or after they have a full set of lenses including long, I MIGHT buy the camera/system, but WILL buy Ricoh stock, as I would if they build better optics for existing platforms (645z, APSC,Q) and then a FF ILC, then MAYBE a DSLR that can truly compete as a system. To plow ahead and rely on third parties to make glass is silly and value dilutive to the brand and sunk R&D.
They have the best optical designers in photography, but have been sub optimal as a growth entity. They do VERY well "leapfrogging" (645z, PZ, K-3, and before in Spotmatics and K2 as systems). I just look at what works. Like Texas Instruments. For 25 years, their business reinvents itself with new products, by building on the legacy. So always buy TI on the dips and figure you won't turn it for 3 years. Pentax life cycles are not as calendar definite, but they iterate what they have just the same, IMHO.
Problem for Pentax and other majors is.... the technologies are moving so fast, how to you look at product payback. Granted, the level of disruption as was seen from film is not as likely in the near term (EVF "ain't ready" IMHO, but I can't see how long a DSLR, let alone a FF DSLR play could last). If someone figures out a 40MP or 36MP APSC while managing cross-talk, and has the right glass, I would submit (for coffee talk) that ALL bets are off. Nikon and Canon would freak at the prospect of a collapsing FF market. A truly disruptive event, which could invert a market. I just don't know who could/would spend the $$$ needed to change it, or who feels it would be worth it......
Should provide us all with entertainment for the next several years while we watch/ seek a better mousetrap, or hope our invested brand gets stronger?