One more time, but in a funny way: Crop Sensors vs Full Frame

carlosodze · 09-17-2014, 07:13 PM - **4 Likes**

I am not sure if you already watched this but i think this forum (especially) need this kind of stuff:

You Tube

i mean, i am not saying that i wouldn't like a FF (i might like one with the d4x specs for wildlife shooting) but i think aps-c has everything i need to make amazing pictures (not to mention the little extra reach), and with pentax always leading the aps-c cameras i really dont find any real reasons to change, at least for my type of shooting.

the only thing i would ask pentax is to improve its AF system (of both cameras and lenses).

let me know what you though about the video, ( i found the stick a little annoying, the rest was entertaining).

good night

Last edited by carlosodze; 09-17-2014 at 07:43 PM.

Andi Lo · 09-17-2014, 07:34 PM

Haha I love the bit on 10:14, so acccurate. T'was a great video

Thanks for sharing it.

stevebrot · 09-17-2014, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by carlosodze

I am not sure if you already watched this but i think this forum (especially) need this kind of stuff:

He is right of course. I shoot several formats and each has its strengths and none is particularly inferior in the realm of their strength. I am thinking that I will stay away from 8x10 though. I am really not interested in having my pee pee go soft on account of a camera.

The most important thing to take away from Zach's monologue? "Cameras can't see."

What to add? "The camera should make it easier to share what you see (your vision), not harder."

Shared vision clouded? "If the camera is making it harder to express your vision, then perhaps we should take up painting...or get a different camera."

Steve

**Bruce Clark** · 09-17-2014, 09:07 PM

Great stuff, reinforces a lot of my lack of interest in the FF argument.

calsan · 09-17-2014, 09:18 PM - **2 Likes**

When I did art - there were in fact interminable gouache v water-colour and acrylic v oils debates - even charcoal v pencil. I think this is the way it goes. Of course, if you can't draw it shows quickly. If you can't draw, then you get into art movements and intellectual debates instead.

I think the rule is, if two things are practically interchangeable, they will produce intense debate as to which is better. No one debates charcoal v oil paint.

abmj · 09-17-2014, 10:33 PM

Zack has always been a little bizarre and is usually so amped from too much coffee ( or something

) that he can be hard to follow but is very skilled and definitely knows of what he speaks.

micromacro · 09-18-2014, 04:58 AM

I did not like that guy. He tries to be funny, but it's annoying, kind of.
Also, his students grading criteria from another video is questionable. He gives A+ only if he want to put the picture on his wall. Like there are no other walls in the world, and an assignment actually was for the "best pic on Zack's wall". Weird.

**UncleVanya** · 09-18-2014, 12:06 PM

That guy is hilarious! The only reason I have ever been interested in FF was to use existing lenses for wider shots. But as the crop of available lenses improves that becomes less of a concern.

dtmateojr · 09-18-2014, 02:13 PM

But it's full frame!!!

jsherman999 · 09-18-2014, 03:42 PM

It just gets overwhelming! Math or moments? Math or moments!?!? Yes. Yes.

KevinR · 09-19-2014, 12:01 PM

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing. So true and brings to mind that a friend of mine as a kid used 6x7 Mamiya and his K1000 was his toy which he shared with me and my bother. That was my intro to photography along with playing in the darkroom with B&W.

zapp · 09-21-2014, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by carlosodze

I am not sure if you already watched this but i think this forum (especially) need this kind of stuff:

Crop Sensors vs Full Frame :: Crop Or Crap? - YouTube

i mean, i am not saying that i wouldn't like a FF (i might like one with the d4x specs for wildlife shooting) but i think aps-c has everything i need to make amazing pictures (not to mention the little extra reach), and with pentax always leading the aps-c cameras i really dont find any real reasons to change, at least for my type of shooting.

the only thing i would ask pentax is to improve its AF system (of both cameras and lenses).

let me know what you though about the video, ( i found the stick a little annoying, the rest was entertaining).

good night

Size does not matter for Pentax, but a clear statement on full frame with mirror or APS-C with/with out mirror. It would be nice to get some guidance here.

fgaudet · 09-21-2014, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by micromacro

Also, his students grading criteria from another video is questionable. He gives A+ only if he want to put the picture on his wall. Like there are no other walls in the world

So he gives good grades for photos that he like. And he is the judge... What's wrong with that? Following your line your line of thought, every single picture taken since the invention of the camera would get an A+... There is bound to be at least one person in the world who would like a picture.

**Belnan** · 09-21-2014, 10:42 AM - **1 Like**

what a good add for Fuji, its almost like he was being paid.

carlosodze · 09-21-2014, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Belnan

what a good add for Fuji, its almost like he was being paid.

i think you are missing the point, the argument applies to all aps-c cameras, plus nothing false is being said, fujis are great also. (not cheap though)

09-18-2014, 03:42 PM	#10
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Just one excerpt from his accompanying blog entry :) It just gets overwhelming! Math or moments? Math or moments!?!? Yes. Yes. Last edited by jsherman999; 09-18-2014 at 03:59 PM.

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09-17-2014, 07:34 PM	#2
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Haha I love the bit on 10:14, so acccurate. T'was a great video Thanks for sharing it.

09-17-2014, 08:46 PM	#3
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by carlosodze I am not sure if you already watched this but i think this forum (especially) need this kind of stuff: He is right of course. I shoot several formats and each has its strengths and none is particularly inferior in the realm of their strength. I am thinking that I will stay away from 8x10 though. I am really not interested in having my pee pee go soft on account of a camera. The most important thing to take away from Zach's monologue? "Cameras can't see." What to add? "The camera should make it easier to share what you see (your vision), not harder." Shared vision clouded? "If the camera is making it harder to express your vision, then perhaps we should take up painting...or get a different camera." Steve

09-17-2014, 09:07 PM	#4
Bruce Clark Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ocean Grove, Victoria Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,458	Great stuff, reinforces a lot of my lack of interest in the FF argument.

09-17-2014, 09:18 PM - 2 Likes	#5
calsan Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,548	When I did art - there were in fact interminable gouache v water-colour and acrylic v oils debates - even charcoal v pencil. I think this is the way it goes. Of course, if you can't draw it shows quickly. If you can't draw, then you get into art movements and intellectual debates instead. I think the rule is, if two things are practically interchangeable, they will produce intense debate as to which is better. No one debates charcoal v oil paint.

09-17-2014, 10:33 PM	#6
abmj Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Central California Posts: 600	Zack has always been a little bizarre and is usually so amped from too much coffee ( or something ) that he can be hard to follow but is very skilled and definitely knows of what he speaks.

09-18-2014, 04:58 AM	#7
micromacro Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,722	I did not like that guy. He tries to be funny, but it's annoying, kind of. Also, his students grading criteria from another video is questionable. He gives A+ only if he want to put the picture on his wall. Like there are no other walls in the world, and an assignment actually was for the "best pic on Zack's wall". Weird.

09-18-2014, 12:06 PM	#8
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,404	That guy is hilarious! The only reason I have ever been interested in FF was to use existing lenses for wider shots. But as the crop of available lenses improves that becomes less of a concern.

09-18-2014, 02:13 PM	#9
dtmateojr Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 604	But it's full frame!!!

09-19-2014, 12:01 PM	#11
KevinR Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 653	Beautiful. Thanks for sharing. So true and brings to mind that a friend of mine as a kid used 6x7 Mamiya and his K1000 was his toy which he shared with me and my bother. That was my intro to photography along with playing in the darkroom with B&W.

09-21-2014, 09:32 AM	#12
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Originally posted by carlosodze I am not sure if you already watched this but i think this forum (especially) need this kind of stuff: Crop Sensors vs Full Frame :: Crop Or Crap? - YouTube i mean, i am not saying that i wouldn't like a FF (i might like one with the d4x specs for wildlife shooting) but i think aps-c has everything i need to make amazing pictures (not to mention the little extra reach), and with pentax always leading the aps-c cameras i really dont find any real reasons to change, at least for my type of shooting. the only thing i would ask pentax is to improve its AF system (of both cameras and lenses). let me know what you though about the video, ( i found the stick a little annoying, the rest was entertaining). good night Size does not matter for Pentax, but a clear statement on full frame with mirror or APS-C with/with out mirror. It would be nice to get some guidance here.

09-21-2014, 10:25 AM	#13
fgaudet Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Ontario Posts: 726	Originally posted by micromacro Also, his students grading criteria from another video is questionable. He gives A+ only if he want to put the picture on his wall. Like there are no other walls in the world So he gives good grades for photos that he like. And he is the judge... What's wrong with that? Following your line your line of thought, every single picture taken since the invention of the camera would get an A+... There is bound to be at least one person in the world who would like a picture.

09-21-2014, 10:42 AM - 1 Like	#14
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	what a good add for Fuji, its almost like he was being paid.

09-21-2014, 12:47 PM	#15
carlosodze Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Lima-Peru Photos: Albums Posts: 118 Original Poster	Originally posted by Belnan what a good add for Fuji, its almost like he was being paid. i think you are missing the point, the argument applies to all aps-c cameras, plus nothing false is being said, fujis are great also. (not cheap though)