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The ~70-200mm lens at Photokina 5662.22%
The ~150-400mm lens at Photokina 3134.44%
~24-70mm premium lens 2527.78%
~24-70mm kit lens 3437.78%
Refreshed FA Ltds 4044.44%
New prime lenses (explain) 77.78%
~12-24mm lens 1213.33%
Nothing (they'll launch with the current lineup) 66.67%
Other (explain) 1011.11%
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10-29-2014, 03:16 PM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
But aren't those Sigma lenses are already made in Pentax mount (or at least the old version of the 70-200 is, I'm not sure what current status)?...
In my part of the world, after a quick scan of some local camera store web sites, some full-frame third party K-mount lenses that are available right now include:

Sigma

- 12-24mm F/4.5-5.6 EX DG HSM
- 15mm EX DG Diagonal Fisheye
- 20mm f/1.8 EX DG ASP RF
- 24-60mm f/2.8 EX DG
- 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM
- 35mm F/1.4 DG HSM 'Art'
- 50mm f1.4 EX DG
- 50-500mm F4.5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM
- 70mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro
- 70-200 f2.8 APO EX DG OS HSM
- 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro
- 85mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM
- 150-500mm F5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM
- 300mm f/2.8 APO EX DG
- 500mm F4.5 EX DG APO
- Sigma USB Dock

Tamron

- 28-75mm F2.8 XR Di LD Aspherical (IF)
- 70-200mm f/2.8 Di LD (IF) Macro
- 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD Macro
- 90mm F/2.8 Di Macro

From SamYang there are the following for FF Pentax( plus maybe a few other variants, depending if you search for SamYang, Rokinon, Bower etc):

- 14mm Ultra Wide-Angle f/2.8 IF ED UMC
- 24mm f/1.4 ED AS UMC
- 24mm f/3.5 ED AS UMC Tilt-Shift
- 35mm f/1.4 AS UMC
- 50mm f/1.4
- 85mm f/1.4 Aspherical

Carl-Zeiss

- Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar T* 2/100 ZF

Maybe others from Zeiss, Voigtlander etc

So even if a Pentax FF launched tomorrow, users will have immediate access to about 25 third-party FF lenses, and 15+ FF compatible Pentax brand lenses. 40 full-frame lenses.

That's a pretty good starting position. A much better position than Sony was in at the launch of their full-frame A7's.

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Zeiss might be available but I believe is discontinued. I had a thread similar to yours...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/183420-curr...me-lenses.html

My count was 40 full frame lenses NOT including obviously full frame DA lenses like the 35, 40, 55, 200, 70. So about 45 is my count right now. That's quite a system.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Zeiss might be available but I believe is discontinued. I had a thread similar to yours...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/183420-curr...me-lenses.html

My count was 40 full frame lenses NOT including obviously full frame DA lenses like the 35, 40, 55, 200, 70. So about 45 is my count right now. That's quite a system.
Including the Sigma Lenses except not all those are still mage in K mount

But I did say it would be easy for the selection to expand via Sigma (or Tamron or Tokina. Launch a good FF and they will step up to support if sales warrant it.
the actual Pentax FF selection is 13 if you stretch to include the DA that likely work on FF (but performance on FF is tough to asses without a native mount system.) certainly it's more than the X system or the E mount launched with. The X launched to pent up demand though. The XS 100 created the demand and woke Fuji up to the potential. In many ways that 1 camera completely turned fuji imaging around from a money loser to profitable.

I think at launch the lens lineup will be the following look (updated DFA variants of old lenses)
DFA 31mm f1.8 Limited (
DFA 35mm f2.0
DFA 43mm f1.9 Limited
DFA 50mm f2.8 macro
DFA 50mm f1.4
DA 50mm f1.8 (caveat: described as FF by retailers and seems to perform as FF lens. Unknown if Pentax told retailers it was FF.) this is a maybe
FA 77mm f1.8 Limited
DFA 100mm f/2.8 macro
DA* 300mm f4

Add a 24-75 f4 SDM zoom for kits (it should be a 24-105 or 120 but hey we'd settle for less (or it may just be a relaunch of the FA 28-70 f4 updated for modern needs - you'd hope not though)
75-300 Variable Kit Zoom ( there is a need and it can be implemented cheaply)
and shortly after 12-24/24-7070-200 all pro grade fast zooms and even later a 20 and 24 prime


Read more at: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/183420-curr...#ixzz3HdCtKh4X

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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
In my part of the world, after a quick scan of some local camera store web sites, some full-frame third party K-mount lenses that are available right now include:

Sigma

- 12-24mm F/4.5-5.6 EX DG HSM
- 15mm EX DG Diagonal Fisheye
- 20mm f/1.8 EX DG ASP RF
- 24-60mm f/2.8 EX DG
- 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM
- 35mm F/1.4 DG HSM 'Art'
- 50mm f1.4 EX DG
- 50-500mm F4.5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM
- 70mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro
- 70-200 f2.8 APO EX DG OS HSM
- 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro
- 85mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM
- 150-500mm F5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM
- 300mm f/2.8 APO EX DG
- 500mm F4.5 EX DG APO
- Sigma USB Dock

Tamron

- 28-75mm F2.8 XR Di LD Aspherical (IF)
- 70-200mm f/2.8 Di LD (IF) Macro
- 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD Macro
- 90mm F/2.8 Di Macro

From SamYang there are the following for FF Pentax( plus maybe a few other variants, depending if you search for SamYang, Rokinon, Bower etc):

- 14mm Ultra Wide-Angle f/2.8 IF ED UMC
- 24mm f/1.4 ED AS UMC
- 24mm f/3.5 ED AS UMC Tilt-Shift
- 35mm f/1.4 AS UMC
- 50mm f/1.4
- 85mm f/1.4 Aspherical

Carl-Zeiss

- Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar T* 2/100 ZF

Maybe others from Zeiss, Voigtlander etc

So even if a Pentax FF launched tomorrow, users will have immediate access to about 25 third-party FF lenses, and 15+ FF compatible Pentax brand lenses. 40 full-frame lenses.

That's a pretty good starting position. A much better position than Sony was in at the launch of their full-frame A7's.
A couple of those are discontinued but still out there for sale (manufacturer web sites are a better indicator of the support level)

It is enopugh to get going though. Sony had a fully funtional adaptor for their Alpha lenses to work with the A7 E mount. and a big Pent up demand for a mirrorless FF from a large market who wanted to be able to adapt a load of old glass etc
I think Ricoh is watching share and trends while they fine tune. I'm sure at this point the actual prototypes are being tested in the wild by a small number of contractually silent people looking for bugs and flaws
real leaks if it is coming will start in early January for PMA and I bet actual release is more end of February

I don't bet money though when it comes to FF and Pentax
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I forgot to add the current Pentax DA 1.4X teleconverter to my list. It seems to mount successfully with most current lenses, FF or not.

Maybe that takes our total to about 80 FF lenses, effectively [TC on/ TC off]

---------- Post added 2014-10-31 at 12:24 AM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by eddie1960 Quote
I don't bet money though when it comes to FF and Pentax
Better to bet on Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster being discovered alive than a Pentax FF appearing, I fear sometimes.

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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
I forgot to add the current Pentax DA 1.4X teleconverter to my list. It seems to mount successfully with most current lenses, FF or not.

Maybe that takes our total to about 80 FF lenses, effectively [TC on/ TC off]

---------- Post added 2014-10-31 at 12:24 AM ----------


Better to bet on Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster being discovered alive than a Pentax FF appearing, I fear sometimes.
no way I'm betting on Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster again... been there done that..
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
I forgot to add the current Pentax DA 1.4X teleconverter to my list. It seems to mount successfully with most current lenses, FF or not.

Maybe that takes our total to about 80 FF lenses, effectively [TC on/ TC off]

It's more than that. If you can mount a T/C on a lens it usually makes it a FF lens. So for example if you can mount the TC to a 21mm F/3.2 (don't know if that's possible) then it would become a FF lens, optically speaking.
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I'm surprised the ~24-70 premium doesn't have more votes.

I thought that would be a 'must have' for any new FF system that wants to appeal to the pro market...

Surely they wouldn't cede all those sales to third party manufacturers?

In my view that would be a much more likely announcement (initially) than refreshed FA Ltds
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QuoteOriginally posted by Poit Quote
In my view that would be a much more likely announcement (initially) than refreshed FA Ltds
When Sony launched their NEX full-frames (the A7 series) almost exactly one year ago, the FE lenses announced at the A7 launch date were:

- Sony FE 28-70 F3.5-5.6 OSS (the kit lens for the A7)
- Sony FE 24-70mm F4 ZA OSS Carl Zeiss Vario Tessar T*
- Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS
- Sony FE 55mm F1.8 ZA Carl Zeiss Sonnar T*
- Sony FE 35mm F2.8 ZA Carl Zeiss Sonnar T*

ie a kit zoom, a [slow] 24-70, a [slow] 70-200, a nifty-fifty and a 35.

I would be surprised if Pentax didn't go down a similar path.


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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
That would be sensible. They could then launch their FF product with 2 or 3 brand new designs, plus a decent suite of other FF lenses with very little extra effort or delay.

So you'd have a FF lens range of the current FA primes (31/35/43/50/77), the current D-FA's (50/100), and then the 'new' FF compatible D-FA's (35 2.4/50 1.8/ 40 2.8/ 55 1.4/ 70 2.4). The long (but still FF compatible) lenses like the DA* 200/300/560 lenses could stay as they are. There would be a gap in the line-up however at the wide end below 31mm, and between 100 and 200mm, but Pentax could say they were working on that...

Overall a very respectable lineup to launch with.
Yeah, I was thinking do kind of like Canon does where they have 2 or 3 levels (or price ranges) of lenses for the FF (like the 50/1.8/1.4/1.2). They could even do two levels of the FF body, a cheaper one priced just above the K3 with a 24mp sensor and use more plastic to keep the price lower and one priced above that with a 36mp sensor.

For example for the 35mm-ish range.
D-FA 35/2.4 (plastic mount/body) for entry, D-FA 35 f2 (metal mount, plastic body, round the aperture blades as part of the update) for Mid-Range, D-FA 31 1.8 LTD WR DC (internal motor, Metal everything, WR) for High End.

And again for the 50ish Normal range:
D-FA 50/1.8 (plastic mount/body) for entry, D-FA 50/1.4 (metal mount/ plastic body), D-FA* 55/1.4 WR DC (metal everything, internal motor, WR) for the high end.

As far as the DA40 and DA70....they could probably keep the DA designation because the D-FA43 and D-FA77 would be too close, unless they wanted to place the D-FA 40 and D-FA70 as "budget pancake limiteds" in the FF line-up since the 43/77 are both faster and might get DC/WR.

As far as I can see, we have a pretty good FF line-up if they release a 24-70 kit, 70-200 zoom and 150-400 zoom and all of these existing primes. They could come out with a 16-35 zoom shortly after the release of the FF for the wide end until they can come out with some more wide primes.

So really the only lenses missing are 20mm, 24mm, 28mm, 85mm, 135mm primes, which are all available in F/FA mount if you don't mind the old coatings and K/M/A if you don't mind MF.

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They could come out with a 16-35 zoom shortly after the release of the FF for the wide end until they can come out with some more wide primes.
Which is exactly what Sony did when they released their A7 series. After their first batch of lenses, the next lens in line was a 16-35 - the Sony Vario-Tessar T* FE 16-35mm F4 ZA OSS.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
When Sony launched their NEX full-frames (the A7 series) almost exactly one year ago, the FE lenses announced at the A7 launch date were:

- Sony FE 28-70 F3.5-5.6 OSS (the kit lens for the A7)
- Sony FE 24-70mm F4 ZA OSS Carl Zeiss Vario Tessar T*
- Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS
- Sony FE 55mm F1.8 ZA Carl Zeiss Sonnar T*
- Sony FE 35mm F2.8 ZA Carl Zeiss Sonnar T*

ie a kit zoom, a [slow] 24-70, a [slow] 70-200, a nifty-fifty and a 35.

I would be surprised if Pentax didn't go down a similar path.
QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Which is exactly what Sony did when they released their A7 series. After their first batch of lenses, the next lens in line was a 16-35 - the Sony Vario-Tessar T* FE 16-35mm F4 ZA OSS.
The 55/1.8 is really damn good. The thing I don't understand is how they are coming out with a second 35mm (a huge 1.4) before coming out with a 85mm.
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Sony probably figure folks can use either the excellent $299 Samyang 85mm f/1.4 for Sony E-Mount, or use stuff like the $4500 Otus 85 1.4 for Nikon/Canon with an adapter

Manual focus for a 85mm portrait prime is probably more acceptable than for a fast 35, so there are tons of options there for Sony shooters. Hence their proposed roll-out of a native FE 35 1.4 with AF. No competition.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Sony probably figure folks can use either the excellent $299 Samyang 85mm f/1.4 for Sony E-Mount, or use stuff like the $4500 Otus 85 1.4 for Nikon/Canon with an adapter

Manual focus for a 85mm portrait prime is probably more acceptable than for a fast 35, so there are tons of options there for Sony shooters. Hence their proposed roll-out of a native FE 35 1.4 with AF. No competition.
They're probably expecting people to buy the A mount adapter and use the zeiss 85. I'm thinking about it, but I've read the mirror in the adapter is hard to keep clean and once its dirty you have to send it off to be professionally cleaned because its easy to mess up.
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In my case y would need just:

1- wide angle / large aperture lens.. so something between 12mm-20mm f2.8 whould be great. specially for indoor events like concerts. etc
2- sharp portrait lens ( sigma arts are nice specially at f1.4 for DoF )
3- a good sharp walk around lens so a 24-70 f2.8 would be nice, this could work for portraits too.
4- a telephoto ( that i dont mind using it in crop mode, if the Pentax FF allows this )

I'll be more than happy with that..
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