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11-03-2014, 04:49 AM   #106
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QuoteOriginally posted by LensBeginner Quote
If it's as "good" as Project Ara for smartphones I'll say let Canon have it!
LOL! Yes... I can imagine that it's an engineering nightmare. And I think it will only add costs as well. In that case "doing nothing" was Pentax smartest move.

11-03-2014, 05:07 AM   #107
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LOL! Yes... I can imagine that it's an engineering nightmare. And I think it will only add costs as well. In that case "doing nothing" was Pentax smartest move.
Yep, when a manufacture claims that an innovation is going to "reduce costs for the end-user", usually the exact opposite is true...
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QuoteOriginally posted by LensBeginner Quote
Yep, when a manufacture claims that an innovation is going to "reduce costs for the end-user", usually the exact opposite is true...
Typically they will reduce the costs on low-end users due to competition but shift the costs to high-end users as no competition!
11-03-2014, 06:56 PM   #109
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With all those K-mount gear it would have to be a Kamel!
LOL!


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Stardate 04012015, Pentax announce it's first Full Frame DSLR, the K-FF. You shout for joy, spend 79 consecutive hours on photography
forums talking about the event, but in the end, you don't buy. Why?

I was mulling this question today while working in the garden. Admittedly, I'm not clamoring for a FF body. I still own a K10D as my most
current DSLR and will be more than content to upgrade to a K-3 before the year is out. But what if a FF body becomes available before
I get the K-3? Would I buy? There a few key factors.....


1. Price
If I had $10,000 of readily disposable income I'd happily add a 645z to my collection. But I don't and so I don't. But what about the K-FF?
I have little doubt that the K-FF will offer tremendous value for it's price in comparison to virtually any other FF body on the market. But
I also expect Pentax will not release a budget FF body that will compete with it's top end APS-C. Most logical price point is between
the K-3 and 645z and thus the K-FF will likely hit the streets with a MSRP of $2500-$3500. And that is $1500-$2500 more than the
$1000 I'm willing to spend on an upgrade at this time. Price alone will likely stay my hand for the moment.

2. Size
Personally, I think the M-Series represent the ideal sized camera body. Large enough to get a comfortable grip, small enough to carry
anywhere, anytime. My K10D, by comparison, is >BIG<. And it's bigness means that I am less inclined to take the K10D along as a
casual camera. The K10D is largely relegated to the studio and the Q7 and various film bodies see the world. In all likelihood the K-FF
will be at least as big as the K10D, though realistically it will be bigger still. Size alone won't prevent my purchase of the K-FF but
will certainly be a factor. The closer the K-FF gets to D4s dimensions, the less likely I am to buy.

3. Shake Reduction
I've read many of the discussions about SR. I understand the advantages of putting the SR in the lens, particularly for long focal lengths
as well as the possibility that FF SR may not be feasible. I shoot mainly wide to short tele so care less about the drop off in effectiveness
at the long end. And I greatly appreciate the cost and weight savings by not having that feature in every single lens. Whatever the rationale,
no in body SR would be a serious deal buster for me.

4. Video
Lots of noise about video as the present day must have feature for any camera. No video > serious shortcoming > no one going to buy
a camera without it. And it's gotta be 4k whatever, 'cause I wanna know I can shoot a Coca-Cola commercial with my DSLR if asked.
Meh. I've intentionally shot a half dozen videos with my various digital cameras over the past half dozen years. I've probably shot
10 times that many accidentally when the mode dial inadvertently got bumped and subsequently missed my intended still shot. Perhaps
some day I will want to shoot video. But not today. And I really don't want to pay for that feature on my camera. I have no idea what
4k video capability will add to the price of the K-FF, but if it's there I'm going to resent it unless someone can show it's a relatively
costless add-on.

I could add more, but most other features are either relatively insignificant to the decision, (24mp vs 36mp, Ricoh vs Pentax badged, etc),
or likely to be a non-issue to worry about, (the K-FF will be WR, it will be ergonomic and intuitive, etc).

So what about you?
A case for the 645z. If you had one you would never have to worry about ever upgrading again. You would be set for life unless you had an equipment failure. How much money do you think you will spend upgrading your current system, plus buying lenses over the next 10-15 years? $10,000? More? If you think yes the 645z is the system for you. If not don't buy it. The 645z and maybe three lenses are your done. As far as stabilization that is almost a non issue with current full frames as the high iso is so clean you just really don't need it. IQ of the D800, A7r, D4s, ect at 8000 ISO is very usable.
Olympus and their poor high ISO performance needs it. But anything Pentax would put out in the FF area or the 645z just don't need stabilization.
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QuoteOriginally posted by cosmonaut Quote
A case for the 645z. If you had one you would never have to worry about ever upgrading again. You would be set for life unless you had an equipment failure. How much money do you think you will spend upgrading your current system, plus buying lenses over the next 10-15 years? $10,000? More? If you think yes the 645z is the system for you. If not don't buy it. The 645z and maybe three lenses are your done. As far as stabilization that is almost a non issue with current full frames as the high iso is so clean you just really don't need it. IQ of the D800, A7r, D4s, ect at 8000 ISO is very usable.
Olympus and their poor high ISO performance needs it. But anything Pentax would put out in the FF area or the 645z just don't need stabilization.
That won't do it for many a photographer... how can one possibly redirect its feelings of inadequacy towards their gear if the gear is actually ok?
And how can one expect improvement and an easier life in the future (instead of trying to contend with camera settings and obscure stuff such as *gasp* exposure) if he's not going to change camera next year?
...just kidding, obviously, but not by much...
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QuoteOriginally posted by cosmonaut Quote
A case for the 645z. If you had one you would never have to worry about ever upgrading again. You would be set for life unless you had an equipment failure. How much money do you think you will spend upgrading your current system, plus buying lenses over the next 10-15 years? $10,000? More? If you think yes the 645z is the system for you. If not don't buy it. The 645z and maybe three lenses are your done. As far as stabilization that is almost a non issue with current full frames as the high iso is so clean you just really don't need it. IQ of the D800, A7r, D4s, ect at 8000 ISO is very usable.
Olympus and their poor high ISO performance needs it. But anything Pentax would put out in the FF area or the 645z just don't need stabilization.
I think even 645z owners would be tempted add equipment or upgrade if new technology came along which, of course, it will.
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I think even 645z owners would be tempted add equipment or upgrade if new technology came along which, of course, it will.
I agree but there isn't really a lot of gear for one. The lenses are sort of limited and just how many would you need? I currently have two and the only thing I would like to add would be a wider one than the 55mm. At that I get by fine with the 55mm. I feel at this point less gear is actually more. I am having more fun as I have less to carry around or keep up with. In your current line up just how many lenses do you actually use? We all have those expensive paper weights that just seem to never get used.
If you are big into sports or wildlife I wouldn't advise the 645z. But if you are like me mostly a landscape and portait shooter in makes better sense.

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QuoteOriginally posted by cosmonaut Quote
I agree but there isn't really a lot of gear for one. The lenses are sort of limited and just how many would you need? I currently have two and the only thing I would like to add would be a wider one than the 55mm. At that I get by fine with the 55mm. I feel at this point less gear is actually more. I am having more fun as I have less to carry around or keep up with. In your current line up just how many lenses do you actually use? We all have those expensive paper weights that just seem to never get used.
If you are big into sports or wildlife I wouldn't advise the 645z. But if you are like me mostly a landscape and portait shooter in makes better sense.
That sounds like good advice it is a big machine to carry around. But it seems quite a few landscape shooters love it. It is not hard to see why!
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