Originally posted by jsherman999 'Stop' doesn't just refer to exposure, though. The vernacular includes other usage like "One stop DOF," or "one stop noise." Even if you don't like that usage, you should know what it's referring to: the effect on those things that changing f-stop causes.
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In learning any second language, you need to start with a translation mechanism - a way to map meanings.
Car = Coche.
Equivalence simply provides this translation mechanism for learning your photographic second language
And indeed after you learn it it's second nature... until you have to fire up the translation mechanism again to learn a third language (1'' sensor?)
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As in almost any vernacular translation, the technical meaning is lost in the vernacular term. They are used by the ignorant who don't know any better, and not by those who actually need a technical understanding. The simple reality of that situation is, as soon as you stop talking technically it becomes impossible to clearly define any situation. All of the confusion relating to these issues is caused by the lack of a technical approach.
One stop of noise between 100-200 DB leads to much less deterioration in IQ than does a stop between 6400 ISO and 12800 ISO. One stop of noise where the difference is not visible is not an issue. Noise is also affected by the construction of sensors. The size of the actual area used for collection of photons on a pixel can change depending on the manufacture of the sensor and sensitivity or the materials used. You can over-simplify a process, until it actually tells you nothing useful.
I'd argue that's what has happened with the vernacular use of technical terms.
If people would use DB or some other noise to signal ratio to define noise, and mm/inches to define DoF... people could see exactly what they were gaining or losing changing from one format to another. But even those theoretical postulations would only be validated by testing...and measurements showing they were in the ball park. You can say a Full Frame camera "should" have better Dynamic Range than an APS-c. But the K-5 ended that. There are technical innovations being applied all the time that affect the final image created and create situations where camera performance falls outside the parameters of narrowly defined technical limitations.
The constructs of basic optical physics to applied modern technology.. is like driving a screw with a hammer. You can do the job, but you won't make best use of the technology and it won't give you the best results.. To do that you have examine all aspects of what a photographic system does and how it does it. The more complex the system is, the less use, the basic physics is. If were were using single elements, with all lenses using the same basic design, film cameras that all used the same emulsion, these "vernacular" constructs might be of some use.
As it is, they are pretty much useless.
When you underexpose a properly exposed photo -1EV one stop, it's one stop underexposed.
When you go from ISO 200 to ISO 100 is your image one stop under-exposed?
Can you see the one stop of noise like you can see the one stop of exposure?
People seem to be so in love with the simplicity of these concepts, have to realize, just because it's simple, and in the vernacular, doesn't make it useful. At some point, you should probably just buckle down and do the work using the math that was designed to do the job, and then doing actual tests to show they've applied their knowledge correctly.. instead of taking shortcuts with inappropriate terms, which leads to confusion, mis-information and endless debate.
Remember one simple change in technology, like backlit sensors can change how much use the sensor makes of available light. A sensor using a newer tech can be just as efficient collecting light and therefore in reducing noise as a larger older type of sensor, and there is no one I know that rates sensor light to digital efficiency of various sensor. Without that information all speculation on what "format" will produce the best noise to signal ratio is hogwash. You have to go camera by camera. And all of these "simple" assertions, are made without that information. You have to assume that all sensors are equal in their light gathering capacity, and that any difference is based on the size of the pixel area. That simply isn't true.
The best way to evaluate ISO noise performance... if to go to Imagine Resources and check out the swatches.In the end, it doesn't matter what some internet expert says the is possible, it only matter what the camera makers can actually achieve. (and why so many of the "internet experts" hate Imaging Resources.)
Repeating what some guy said on the internet isn't science.