Pentax Full Frame confirmed at Salon de photo (Paris)

infoomatic · 11-20-2014, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by MikeD

I'm still hoping for K3 upgrade. I don't understand why they would prostitute their APS C market for a FF, they really shouldn't need to. I really don't need the FF and my two best lenses the DA* 60-250 4.0 and Tamron 17-50 2.8 are APS-C. If however they only come out with the FF then used K3s ought to be really cheap. So I'm sticking with my K5 until the dust settles.

You don't need to hope. Bringing a K3 upgrade is only logical.

btw: even asahi_man, who always told us that they have several FF prototypes, now says we won't get a FF... Re: Just received: Pentax HD DA560mm: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

rawr · 11-20-2014, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by infoomatic

now says we won't get a FF

You missed the 'wink'

in Asahi Man's post there.

LensBeginner · 11-20-2014, 03:51 PM

There has already been an "official" confirmation from a Swiss (IIRC?) representative just before Photokina, promptly denied by Pentax... but those rumors just keep coming up.
And I'm inclined to believe them this time...

FantasticMrFox · 11-20-2014, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by LensBeginner

There has already been an "official" confirmation from a Swiss (IIRC?) representative just before Photokina, promptly denied by Pentax... but those rumors just keep coming up.
And I'm inclined to believe them this time ...

They have already officially confirmed that they are working on FF, just not when it will be released. And the upcoming massive 70-200 f/2.8 isn't exactly arguing against FF either

redcat · 11-20-2014, 04:06 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FantasticMrFox

They have already officially confirmed that they are working on FF, just not when it will be released. And the upcoming massive 70-200 f/2.8 isn't exactly arguing against FF either

They confirm that the camera will be released in 2015, not just working, and I believe them

maybe I'm an optimist

FantasticMrFox · 11-20-2014, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by redcat

They confirm that the camera will be released in 2015, not just working, and I believe them

maybe I'm an optimist

I meant an official confirmation made by one of their higher up managers in an interview at Photokina, not what one representative said off-camera

MarkJerling · 11-20-2014, 04:29 PM

Plus Ricoh Japan's confirmation that they're working on it. I can't wait!

LensBeginner · 11-20-2014, 04:45 PM - **1 Like**

I wonder how it's gonna be...
We were all waiting for the FF announcement when the K-01 was presented... I distinctly remember thinking "wait... is this a joke? it's not even april!" and discounted it as an "internet rumor" with an imaginative rendering... then it turned out to be true!
Last time we were waiting, a stoopid-looking mock-DSLR with leds all over the place popped out... and I thought "this is junk... maybe they're keeping the big thinks for the actual Photokina, they won't spoil it the week before..."

Moral: I own a K-01 and believe the K-S1 to be a very capable camera :-P
...but I bet I won't stand another multi-colored trend-setting Japanese-oriented cutie-looking contraption!

Clavius · 11-21-2014, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by rawr

You missed the 'wink'

in Asahi Man's post there.

Probably nobody misses that, but just ignores it, because a 'wink' can mean all kinds of things. I'm assuming Asahi means that he has no clue either. What are you assuming it means?

Naruto · 11-21-2014, 01:37 AM

I, myself, asked the representative at the Pentax booth of the "Salon de la photo" and I got the answer that it is just rumors, and if such a camera is in preparation none of the people he knows at Pentax France have been told. We have no other options than wait or go manual focus.

kooks · 11-21-2014, 01:47 AM

tic tac tic tac.. clock is ticking and time is passing by for Pentax to release the FF ... Sony is growing fast and my guess is that more and more people will start moving to this "new" systems specially attracted by price....

So.. i think that if they dont announce anything for february CP+, perhaps its going to be too late to cause a "BIG" impression, wich we all know that the company will need it in order to compete.

Clavius · 11-21-2014, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by kooks

tic tac tic tac.. clock is ticking and time is passing by for Pentax to release the FF ... Sony is growing fast and my guess is that more and more people will start moving to this "new" systems specially attracted by price....

So.. i think that if they dont announce anything for february CP+, perhaps its going to be too late to cause a "BIG" impression, wich we all know that the company will need it in order to compete.

It is now rumored on several sites (including SAR) that Canon and Nikon will be joining the FF-mirrorless race somewhere late in 2015. If that is true, Sony will no longer be alone, and there will be more pressure on the prices of such systems. This will land them firmly in current high end APS-C DSLR price range.

redcat · 11-21-2014, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

This will land them firmly in current high end APS-C DSLR price range.

the benefit is "us", users ! we'll have more options to choose then

Clavius · 11-21-2014, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by redcat

the benefit is "us", users ! we'll have more options to choose then

That's the positive side, yes. Possible downside would be the results of the squeeze in high end APS-C DSLR prices. So more choice at one end, less so elsewhere. Otoh, there are some very expensive high end M4/3 options out there that seem to be doing pretty well.

infoomatic · 11-21-2014, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by rawr

You missed the 'wink'

in Asahi Man's post there.

I think those winks are the biggest mistakes of us fullframe-hopers ... they have always been interpreted as some secret code or some "lines between" which they actually aren't at all.

The answer Naruto got is much more logical from a serious company.

I guess this rumours spinning about the mythical Pentax FF is crazy... maybe oil is poured into this ever-glowing illusion by the fan-boys who don't want to leave the brand because of the absence of FF or don't want others to leave and thus decreasing the brands market strength.

Sorry for the doooooomed thoughts, but I seriously think that Pentax market share will shrink further if nothing "wow" happens here in Pentax land - maybe it will end up just being a hasselblad-like company with just 645 because the classic dslr in aps-c will be almost eaten up by mirrorless in 10 years. Mirrorless will be soon state of the art, and systems like Fuji provide a better solution if you want a small system (which was the intention of the limiteds). Weather sealing is being also implemented by others and soon they will provide a complete lineup. Sony and Fuji are announcing lenses for their system so fast like they need only 6 months to develop ... and Pentax is always at least one round behind and announces too few products. Updating the limited lenscoating is just not enough to "be interesting"

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11-20-2014, 01:53 PM	#31
infoomatic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 255	Originally posted by MikeD I'm still hoping for K3 upgrade. I don't understand why they would prostitute their APS C market for a FF, they really shouldn't need to. I really don't need the FF and my two best lenses the DA* 60-250 4.0 and Tamron 17-50 2.8 are APS-C. If however they only come out with the FF then used K3s ought to be really cheap. So I'm sticking with my K5 until the dust settles. You don't need to hope. Bringing a K3 upgrade is only logical. btw: even asahi_man, who always told us that they have several FF prototypes, now says we won't get a FF... Re: Just received: Pentax HD DA560mm: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

11-20-2014, 03:29 PM	#32
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by infoomatic now says we won't get a FF You missed the 'wink' in Asahi Man's post there.

11-20-2014, 03:51 PM	#33
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	There has already been an "official" confirmation from a Swiss (IIRC?) representative just before Photokina, promptly denied by Pentax... but those rumors just keep coming up. And I'm inclined to believe them this time...

11-20-2014, 03:55 PM	#34
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by LensBeginner There has already been an "official" confirmation from a Swiss (IIRC?) representative just before Photokina, promptly denied by Pentax... but those rumors just keep coming up. And I'm inclined to believe them this time ... They have already officially confirmed that they are working on FF, just not when it will be released. And the upcoming massive 70-200 f/2.8 isn't exactly arguing against FF either

11-20-2014, 04:06 PM - 1 Like	#35
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939 Original Poster	Originally posted by FantasticMrFox They have already officially confirmed that they are working on FF, just not when it will be released. And the upcoming massive 70-200 f/2.8 isn't exactly arguing against FF either They confirm that the camera will be released in 2015, not just working, and I believe them maybe I'm an optimist

11-20-2014, 04:10 PM	#36
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by redcat They confirm that the camera will be released in 2015, not just working, and I believe them maybe I'm an optimist I meant an official confirmation made by one of their higher up managers in an interview at Photokina, not what one representative said off-camera

11-20-2014, 04:29 PM	#37
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Plus Ricoh Japan's confirmation that they're working on it. I can't wait!

11-20-2014, 04:45 PM - 1 Like	#38
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	I wonder how it's gonna be... We were all waiting for the FF announcement when the K-01 was presented... I distinctly remember thinking "wait... is this a joke? it's not even april!" and discounted it as an "internet rumor" with an imaginative rendering... then it turned out to be true! Last time we were waiting, a stoopid-looking mock-DSLR with leds all over the place popped out... and I thought "this is junk... maybe they're keeping the big thinks for the actual Photokina, they won't spoil it the week before..." Moral: I own a K-01 and believe the K-S1 to be a very capable camera :-P ...but I bet I won't stand another multi-colored trend-setting Japanese-oriented cutie-looking contraption!

11-21-2014, 01:25 AM	#39
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by rawr You missed the 'wink' in Asahi Man's post there. Probably nobody misses that, but just ignores it, because a 'wink' can mean all kinds of things. I'm assuming Asahi means that he has no clue either. What are you assuming it means?

11-21-2014, 01:37 AM	#40
Naruto Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 66	I, myself, asked the representative at the Pentax booth of the "Salon de la photo" and I got the answer that it is just rumors, and if such a camera is in preparation none of the people he knows at Pentax France have been told. We have no other options than wait or go manual focus.

11-21-2014, 01:47 AM	#41
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	tic tac tic tac.. clock is ticking and time is passing by for Pentax to release the FF ... Sony is growing fast and my guess is that more and more people will start moving to this "new" systems specially attracted by price.... So.. i think that if they dont announce anything for february CP+, perhaps its going to be too late to cause a "BIG" impression, wich we all know that the company will need it in order to compete.

11-21-2014, 02:08 AM	#42
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by kooks tic tac tic tac.. clock is ticking and time is passing by for Pentax to release the FF ... Sony is growing fast and my guess is that more and more people will start moving to this "new" systems specially attracted by price.... So.. i think that if they dont announce anything for february CP+, perhaps its going to be too late to cause a "BIG" impression, wich we all know that the company will need it in order to compete. It is now rumored on several sites (including SAR) that Canon and Nikon will be joining the FF-mirrorless race somewhere late in 2015. If that is true, Sony will no longer be alone, and there will be more pressure on the prices of such systems. This will land them firmly in current high end APS-C DSLR price range.

11-21-2014, 02:27 AM	#43
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939 Original Poster	Originally posted by Clavius This will land them firmly in current high end APS-C DSLR price range. the benefit is "us", users ! we'll have more options to choose then

11-21-2014, 02:44 AM	#44
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by redcat the benefit is "us", users ! we'll have more options to choose then That's the positive side, yes. Possible downside would be the results of the squeeze in high end APS-C DSLR prices. So more choice at one end, less so elsewhere. Otoh, there are some very expensive high end M4/3 options out there that seem to be doing pretty well.

11-21-2014, 02:48 AM	#45
infoomatic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 255	Originally posted by rawr You missed the 'wink' in Asahi Man's post there. I think those winks are the biggest mistakes of us fullframe-hopers ... they have always been interpreted as some secret code or some "lines between" which they actually aren't at all. The answer Naruto got is much more logical from a serious company. I guess this rumours spinning about the mythical Pentax FF is crazy... maybe oil is poured into this ever-glowing illusion by the fan-boys who don't want to leave the brand because of the absence of FF or don't want others to leave and thus decreasing the brands market strength. Sorry for the doooooomed thoughts, but I seriously think that Pentax market share will shrink further if nothing "wow" happens here in Pentax land - maybe it will end up just being a hasselblad-like company with just 645 because the classic dslr in aps-c will be almost eaten up by mirrorless in 10 years. Mirrorless will be soon state of the art, and systems like Fuji provide a better solution if you want a small system (which was the intention of the limiteds). Weather sealing is being also implemented by others and soon they will provide a complete lineup. Sony and Fuji are announcing lenses for their system so fast like they need only 6 months to develop ... and Pentax is always at least one round behind and announces too few products. Updating the limited lenscoating is just not enough to "be interesting"