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12-07-2014, 11:51 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
I think Pentax should make their first steps into FF as a conventional DSLR, maybe akin to a D750. It's simpler, they know how to build them
+1 That is my primary reasoning. Ricoh/Pentax should stick to their strengths. Rather than squander their energy on stupid faddish diversions.

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which camera line do you think they should put this sensor? DSLR or Mirrorless.
If Pentax really decide to make a full-frame camera I think will go for a mirrorless, because producing something traditional will never be competitive in terms of cost and performance with the competition.
But if they really make something like that I hope that they wait until the mirrorless system develop AF performance comparable at the best DSLR on the market.
In the absence of this feature would be a disappointment.
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If pentax went mirrorless they would have to shrug off the K mount, and develop a new line of lenses suited to a short flange more appropriate for a mirorless system. Building a flagship FF mirrorless camera but using a flange distance equal to that of an SLR would probably be one of the dumbest things ever done so far in the history of digital photography.
Actually they don't have to. You only need a proprietary adapter or extension tube with the right length to fill the gap ( in this particular case either term means the same k mount to k mount depending on the body you are pairing it with. Works as coupler if used with shorter flange distance camera and extension tube if used with current DSLR ) with or without electronic coupling to make all k lenses work. That's how old lenses are made to work with Sony mirror less and MFT cameras. The length of the adapter filled the gap to meet the lens' flange distance requirement.
It may sound stupid to make a k mount adapter for a body that actually accepts k mount but that's the only practical way to go if you want a thinner body and still use your current lenses rather than create a new line of lenses specifically made for short flange distance body.
Shorter flange distance also means your pentax body will be ready for AR, SR, F, FD, and M39 lenses with corresponding adapters.
Again it may sound stupid creating a body ready for lenses that may compete with your own lenses.
Perhaps yes but then again that's how Sony accidentally caught the attention of Canon, Nikon, and even Pentax users. I believe fitting other brand's lenses was not in their agenda when mirror less camera makers designed their cameras, but the accidental compatibility of other lenses to their camera created a positive effect rather than negative and that is their names were further made known in the market
That's how Sony is silently robbing Nikon and Canon a share of their cake.
IMO Pentax is not yet late for the mirror less race as it has in body SR and more lenses to offer.
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yes, however the whole concept of mirrorless was to make cameras compact the K01 was an experiment, nothing more. the K01 has enough space for a reflex mirror behind the lens mount however pentax chose to omit that, remove the entire pentaprism OVF system as well and make it a mirrorless camera.
The whole concept of mirrorless was to get rid of the mirror and it's vibrations, and sucky viewfinder. And to get more of what the sensor "sees" into the VF. (At which the K-01 failed. Any size improvements would be an added bonus. Secondly, the intention was to provide special lenses for the K-01 series that would protrude into the camera body. Reducing the size of the entire lens/body combination. Whilst keeping the ergonomics and size of the body intact. Then it would have been a different story. Sadly it didn't came to fruition due to another sudden change of Pentax mind.

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/news/announce/info-image/20120208_6.jpg



The total package would provide backwards compatibility to any DSLR lenses that an existing user might have. Whilst also providing all the benefits of mirrorless when buying new lenses that were specifically designed for the mirrorless Pentax.

It's either that or an expensive AF adapter l Sony A to FE.

K-01 was to far ahead of its time.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
The whole concept of mirrorless was to get rid of the mirror and it's vibrations
And the whole point of going SLR was to actually be able to see the FOV of any attached lens and focus close ups without focus errors...it's funny how the issues have changed.
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Confirmed by everyone except for Ricoh?
Many Ricoh employees have confirmed it. If you want the formal announcement, as per usual Ricoh practice, that will come two weeks before the camera is available for pre-order.
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The whole concept of mirrorless was to get rid of the mirror and it's vibrations, and sucky viewfinder. And to get more of what the sensor "sees" into the VF. (At which the K-01 failed. Any size improvements would be an added bonus. Secondly, the intention was to provide special lenses for the K-01 series that would protrude into the camera body. Reducing the size of the entire lens/body combination. Whilst keeping the ergonomics and size of the body intact. Then it would have been a different story. Sadly it didn't came to fruition due to another sudden change of Pentax mind.

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/news/announce/info-image/20120208_6.jpg



The total package would provide backwards compatibility to any DSLR lenses that an existing user might have. Whilst also providing all the benefits of mirrorless when buying new lenses that were specifically designed for the mirrorless Pentax.

It's either that or an expensive AF adapter l Sony A to FE.

K-01 was to far ahead of its time.
Wow.
All these time I thought it was all about reducing the size and that back compatibility is just an accidental benefit.
Too bad Pentax gave up too soon on the idea and abandoned K-01 development.
TFS an interesting information
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"Even though there was possibility to bring FF into this segment, it was our conclusion that APS-C should be the utmost size for mirrorless segment."
"First, we are discussing development of FF SLR. We are touching base with a sensor manufacturer and proceeding the process of development towards production."
Thus said Mr. Toshiyuki Kitazawa, Head of Business Development, Pentax Ricoh Imaging Company, Oct. 2012.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/201538-dc-watch-int...velopment.html

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QuoteOriginally posted by Lakai Quote
Now that Pentax FF is already confirmed, the question now is to which camera line do you think they should put this sensor? DSLR or Mirrorless.
IMO to both.
I am not so sure that Ricoh has confirmed the FF format as of now. But I think that's the only way for Ricoh (Pentax) to go if they want to be taken seriously.
I myself will probably update from the K3. But, what this post is all about is my advice to anyone that has lenses from the 35mm age to HOLD ON to them as the new FF lenses will be very expensive and not too easy to find. I just bought a 24-90 mm FA lens for a good price and it is an excellent lens, as reviewed here. It will be noisier in auto focus than the new glass but it will cost 2/3 less. I am ready for FF !!!!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
well Pentax has already done it..
Ergo a FF mirrorless with K-mount flange cannot be the worst decision ever.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
And the whole point of going SLR was to actually be able to see the FOV of any attached lens and focus close ups without focus errors.
which failed miserably, because an ovf is useless for manual focusing, you can't see the focusing errors.

that's why god invented oled evf displays; it's manna from heaven, for us manual focus users :-)

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K-01 was to far ahead of its time.
ahead of it's time in pentaxian time, but too late in industry time... the 24mp/oled evf nex7 beat it to market by what, 9 months?

a 24mp/oled evf k01 would have been a game-changer for pentax users.
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K-01 was to far ahead of its time.
The K-01 always struck me as a quirky design and marketing experiment, not a serious Pentax charge at mirrorless.

That's why they gave a celebrity modern (and foreign) designer like Newson the brief, rather than just let their own engineers and designers produce something. It was always meant to be a one-off.
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which failed miserably, because an ovf is useless for manual focusing, you can't see the focusing errors.
The SLRs on the late 60s and early 80's were very, very good for manual focusing. And with a proper focusing screen and viewfinder magnifier, manual focus even with an APS-C DSLR is excellent.

never forget the past there is still much to be learned from it.

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that's why god invented oled evf displays
I see you're a sony fanboy.

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K-01, did someone say K-01? All it needed to be awesome was a tilt screen. It coulda been a contender . Even as it is , it's good for shooting at dogs eye level. It's a lot better than kneeling on the ground to look through the viewfinder.

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"Even though there was possibility to bring FF into this segment, it was our conclusion that APS-C should be the utmost size for mirrorless segment."
"First, we are discussing development of FF SLR. We are touching base with a sensor manufacturer and proceeding the process of development towards production."
Thus said Mr. Toshiyuki Kitazawa, Head of Business Development, Pentax Ricoh Imaging Company, Oct. 2012.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/201538-dc-watch-int...velopment.html

The statement is two years old now and it is very unfortunate that the only tangible product that they have come up with is the K-01 and no viable successor since then.
Had they developed the K-01 and addressed its weaknesses, we would have been arguing between A7r and a Pentax FF mirror less by now
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