preparing for full frame

civiletti · 02-01-2015, 12:45 AM

To prepare for Pentax full frame digital, free yourself of all expectation. What happens will happen when and how it happens.

**jatrax** · 02-01-2015, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by redrockcoulee

You need the 17-28 FE

Got it

See post #35

What I really need is the 250-600 but the house payment keeps winning out..........

---------- Post added 02-01-15 at 11:21 AM ----------

Originally posted by civiletti

To prepare for Pentax full frame digital, free yourself of all expectation. What happens will happen when and how it happens.

I'm still not sold on FF for the sake of FF. I need a FF camera to clearly show I can get better images with it than I can with the k-3. Nothing I have seen anywhere shows me so far that I can. And I would have to retrain my brain as all the focal lengths will be wrong.

Still, I am hopeful and if nothing else a FF puts Pentax on the map as a full line camera brand. I am tired of the snide remarks from other brand users "oh that's just a crop camera, right?"

**Kerrowdown** · 02-01-2015, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

And I would have to retrain my brain as all the focal lengths will be wrong

Well the appearance of all my FF lenses are wrong now, they would be correct with FF.

**jatrax** · 02-01-2015, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Kerrowdown

Well the appearance of all my FF lenses are wrong now, they would be correct with FF.

Does that mean we cancel each other out?

And how many years have you been shooting APS-C? Just curious to see how many years it will take to retrain my brain.

**Kerrowdown** · 02-01-2015, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

And how many years have you been shooting APS-C?

Digital APS-C since 2008 so that's just seven years now, prior to that 28 years with FF 35mm film.

Where it all goes wrong for me is when I mix the two... I pick up my LX's for a shoot and it just reconfirms just how different APS-C is.

Anyway Pentax FF is coming soon and all my "Ladies" can all be themselves again... right.

**jatrax** · 02-01-2015, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Kerrowdown

Where it all goes wrong for me is when I mix the two... I pick up my LX's for a shoot and it just reconfirms just how different APS-C is.

Yes, I can understand that. I don't switch back and forth, all APS-C right now. I shot 35mm film for about 10 years then switched to digital point & shoots until 2010 when I bought a k-x. I guess the gap in between 'reset' my brain. Right now my brain sees in APS-C. So minimum of 7 years (or more) to retrain? Ouch. I might have to get therapy...........

**Kerrowdown** · 02-01-2015, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

So minimum of 7 years (or more) to retrain?

I'm still trying to not retrain, so I still think in FF... as I also use other equipment too. I want for my "Mistress" to be the fully wide rectilinear Lady she once was.

Phrases like does my backside look big in this, spring to mind.

DSims · 02-01-2015, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by DSims

Also filters on the 100 macro and 50/1.4.

Originally posted by jatrax

I'll give you a hint: It starts with 'H' and ends with 'ya'.

You mean we're supposed to hate Hxya, just because they nearly destroyed Pentax, to the point where Ricoh may never be able to completely repair them?

**jatrax** · 02-01-2015, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by DSims

You mean we're supposed to hate Hxya, just because they nearly destroyed Pentax, to the point where Ricoh may never be able to completely repair them?

LOL, no the oops was I left my Hoya filter on the 50mm. No filter on the 100mm, that's just the way it looks. I thought it was funny after all the work to get that set up I forgot a filter. And then it had 'HOYA' on it

pinholecam · 02-01-2015, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

Got it

See post #35

What I really need is the 250-600 but the house payment keeps winning out..........

---------- Post added 02-01-15 at 11:21 AM ----------

I'm still not sold on FF for the sake of FF. I need a FF camera to clearly show I can get betterhimages with it than I can with the k-3. Nothing I have seen anywhere shows me so far that I can. And I would have to retrain my brain as all the focal lengths will be wrong.

Still, I am hopeful and if nothing else a FF puts Pentax on the map as a full line camera brand. I am tired of the snide remarks from other brand users "oh that's just a crop camera, right?"

I have never been affected by this 'right' 'wrong' thing wrt focal lengths.
I just pick the lenses that are 'wide', 'normal', 'tele' enough wrt to that format and frame accordingly.
Been on film, m4/3, Q, apsc, FF digital... never a problem nor frustration over it.

Working distance (often needing nearer) for same FOV and DOF has been the only thing that made me go for FF.
And thats it, 16mp files from my K5 and K30 are really enough for my enthusiast needs (printing up to A3+), so its not even a file quality problem to me between FF/APSC.

hoopsontoast · 02-02-2015, 05:17 AM - **2 Likes**

My prep so far

Wide - FA20-35 f4
Normal - FA43 f1.9 Limited (just sourcing right now) and FA50 f1.7
Portrait - K55 f1.8 and K85 f1.8
Telephoto Zoom - F70-210 f4-5.6 (just sourced)

pinholecam · 02-02-2015, 08:02 AM - **1 Like**

Pentax M20/4; A50/1.7; M85/2 a very versatile travel kit at a very small size.

My MZ-5n is basically no different from the above setup in size.
Just that the one above is a tube adapter and the one on the MZ5n is the portion housing the mirror box.
In other words, a FF camera of this size is possible for Pentax.

And the great thing is, the Pentax lenses makes so much more sense on this sort of smallish camera being not too big themselves.
Brands like Canikon really have a problem since their largish lenses offer no advantage even if they come up with a smaller FF camera body.

I am very ready for Pentax FF.
They just have to at least announce one within the year.

VoiceOfReason · 02-02-2015, 09:21 AM

I think most of my stuff has me covered from 24-500mm for FF. Let's see, that's a normal FOV equivalent to 16-333... I should be good with APSC unless there is a distinct FF advantage.

**TedH42** · 02-02-2015, 10:15 AM

Good to go here. 20 to 300 on FF. Not big into long telephoto. Might get a 14 soonish, but no fisheye.

LensBeginner · 02-03-2015, 04:08 PM

All the Ms I have (28/3.5, 50/1.7, 55/1.8, 100/2.8, 200/4, 80-200/4.5).
I won't mention anything else because it would probably just be unusable and far too terrible...

02-02-2015, 05:17 AM - 2 Likes	#56
hoopsontoast Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 861	My prep so far Wide - FA20-35 f4 Normal - FA43 f1.9 Limited (just sourcing right now) and FA50 f1.7 Portrait - K55 f1.8 and K85 f1.8 Telephoto Zoom - F70-210 f4-5.6 (just sourced) Last edited by hoopsontoast; 02-02-2015 at 08:47 AM.

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02-01-2015, 12:45 AM	#46
civiletti Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oregon Photos: Albums Posts: 1,435	To prepare for Pentax full frame digital, free yourself of all expectation. What happens will happen when and how it happens.

02-01-2015, 12:16 PM	#47
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by redrockcoulee You need the 17-28 FE Got it See post #35 What I really need is the 250-600 but the house payment keeps winning out.......... ---------- Post added 02-01-15 at 11:21 AM ---------- Originally posted by civiletti To prepare for Pentax full frame digital, free yourself of all expectation. What happens will happen when and how it happens. I'm still not sold on FF for the sake of FF. I need a FF camera to clearly show I can get better images with it than I can with the k-3. Nothing I have seen anywhere shows me so far that I can. And I would have to retrain my brain as all the focal lengths will be wrong. Still, I am hopeful and if nothing else a FF puts Pentax on the map as a full line camera brand. I am tired of the snide remarks from other brand users "oh that's just a crop camera, right?"

02-01-2015, 01:55 PM	#48
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,819	Originally posted by jatrax And I would have to retrain my brain as all the focal lengths will be wrong Well the appearance of all my FF lenses are wrong now, they would be correct with FF.

02-01-2015, 03:11 PM	#49
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Kerrowdown Well the appearance of all my FF lenses are wrong now, they would be correct with FF. Does that mean we cancel each other out? And how many years have you been shooting APS-C? Just curious to see how many years it will take to retrain my brain.

02-01-2015, 03:31 PM	#50
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,819	Originally posted by jatrax And how many years have you been shooting APS-C? Digital APS-C since 2008 so that's just seven years now, prior to that 28 years with FF 35mm film. Where it all goes wrong for me is when I mix the two... I pick up my LX's for a shoot and it just reconfirms just how different APS-C is. Anyway Pentax FF is coming soon and all my "Ladies" can all be themselves again... right.

02-01-2015, 03:35 PM	#51
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Kerrowdown Where it all goes wrong for me is when I mix the two... I pick up my LX's for a shoot and it just reconfirms just how different APS-C is. Yes, I can understand that. I don't switch back and forth, all APS-C right now. I shot 35mm film for about 10 years then switched to digital point & shoots until 2010 when I bought a k-x. I guess the gap in between 'reset' my brain. Right now my brain sees in APS-C. So minimum of 7 years (or more) to retrain? Ouch. I might have to get therapy...........

02-01-2015, 03:45 PM	#52
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,819	Originally posted by jatrax So minimum of 7 years (or more) to retrain? I'm still trying to not retrain, so I still think in FF... as I also use other equipment too. I want for my "Mistress" to be the fully wide rectilinear Lady she once was. Phrases like does my backside look big in this, spring to mind.

02-01-2015, 04:53 PM	#53
DSims Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,236	Originally posted by DSims Also filters on the 100 macro and 50/1.4. Originally posted by jatrax I'll give you a hint: It starts with 'H' and ends with 'ya'. You mean we're supposed to hate Hxya, just because they nearly destroyed Pentax, to the point where Ricoh may never be able to completely repair them?

02-01-2015, 04:57 PM	#54
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by DSims You mean we're supposed to hate Hxya, just because they nearly destroyed Pentax, to the point where Ricoh may never be able to completely repair them? LOL, no the oops was I left my Hoya filter on the 50mm. No filter on the 100mm, that's just the way it looks. I thought it was funny after all the work to get that set up I forgot a filter. And then it had 'HOYA' on it

02-01-2015, 06:58 PM	#55
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Originally posted by jatrax Got it See post #35 What I really need is the 250-600 but the house payment keeps winning out.......... ---------- Post added 02-01-15 at 11:21 AM ---------- I'm still not sold on FF for the sake of FF. I need a FF camera to clearly show I can get betterhimages with it than I can with the k-3. Nothing I have seen anywhere shows me so far that I can. And I would have to retrain my brain as all the focal lengths will be wrong. Still, I am hopeful and if nothing else a FF puts Pentax on the map as a full line camera brand. I am tired of the snide remarks from other brand users "oh that's just a crop camera, right?" I have never been affected by this 'right' 'wrong' thing wrt focal lengths. I just pick the lenses that are 'wide', 'normal', 'tele' enough wrt to that format and frame accordingly. Been on film, m4/3, Q, apsc, FF digital... never a problem nor frustration over it. Working distance (often needing nearer) for same FOV and DOF has been the only thing that made me go for FF. And thats it, 16mp files from my K5 and K30 are really enough for my enthusiast needs (printing up to A3+), so its not even a file quality problem to me between FF/APSC.

02-02-2015, 08:02 AM - 1 Like	#57
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Pentax M20/4; A50/1.7; M85/2 a very versatile travel kit at a very small size. My MZ-5n is basically no different from the above setup in size. Just that the one above is a tube adapter and the one on the MZ5n is the portion housing the mirror box. In other words, a FF camera of this size is possible for Pentax. And the great thing is, the Pentax lenses makes so much more sense on this sort of smallish camera being not too big themselves. Brands like Canikon really have a problem since their largish lenses offer no advantage even if they come up with a smaller FF camera body. I am very ready for Pentax FF. They just have to at least announce one within the year.

02-02-2015, 09:21 AM	#58
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	I think most of my stuff has me covered from 24-500mm for FF. Let's see, that's a normal FOV equivalent to 16-333... I should be good with APSC unless there is a distinct FF advantage.

02-02-2015, 10:15 AM	#59
TedH42 F/8 & Somewhere Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,412	Good to go here. 20 to 300 on FF. Not big into long telephoto. Might get a 14 soonish, but no fisheye.

02-03-2015, 04:08 PM	#60
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	All the Ms I have (28/3.5, 50/1.7, 55/1.8, 100/2.8, 200/4, 80-200/4.5). I won't mention anything else because it would probably just be unusable and far too terrible...