“I will not buy the FF, if _____"

mrNewt · 02-05-2015, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

Not going to happen. They might phase out screw drive in the lenses but not in the body. They still have in production lenses with screw drive. DFA 100mm macro for example. Not counting any of the regular vintage glass. And not even thinking of what owners of FA limiteds would say. So, no not going to happen. Maybe someday, on a bargain limited function body. But not this body.

Not sure why you quote me on that one, since I am pretty much saying that I doubt they will give up on the screw drive.

jsherman999 · 02-05-2015, 10:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Parallax

I was going to say that I won't buy one because I don't need to take shallow DOF, "only one eye in focus" portraits, but changed my mind.

Good thing you didn't say that!

**jatrax** · 02-05-2015, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by mrNewt

Not sure why you quote me on that one, since I am pretty much saying that I doubt they will give up on the screw drive.

I was agreeing with you and organizing the thread

jsherman999 · 02-05-2015, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

OK, if you want to stay with APSC, please don't come to "Full Frame" forum, OK?

They just can't help it

Norm for example is the moth drawn to the flame so many times he's a Canadian phoenix!

mrNewt · 02-05-2015, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

I was agreeing with you and organizing the thread

Oh... sorry then

Parallax · 02-05-2015, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by jsherman999

They just can't help it

They? Hmmmmmm.

jsherman999 · 02-05-2015, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

Complete the sentence: “I will not buy the FF, if ____________"

... If it's more than $2200 for the body. Not because it's probably not worth it, but because my photography budget is not infinite and I already have a FF body (D800) so my justifications have to be incredibly convoluted.

That ^ could change if this initial Pentax body is so freaking great I can't resist it... but then I may think of selling the D800.

If I had no current FF? No-brainer, at almost any price under $4k, I'd be in the K-ff. I think I'd go used/Sigma/Tamron route though on the f/2.8 zooms, and then round out with FA 43 & 31 to go with my 77.

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stevebrot · 02-05-2015, 11:04 AM

I will not buy the FF if it does not have a multi-cup option.

mrNewt · 02-05-2015, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

I will not buy the FF if it does not have a multi-cup option.

Ummm... define "cup"

... we are still talking about cameras right?!

6BQ5 · 02-05-2015, 11:08 AM

I would love to buy a FF body but I cant afford to be an early adopter. God you all who can. Count your blessings and be thankful for your good fortune.

I have to wait for the sales.

Early adopters iron out a lot of the bugs in the hardware and firmware. They are the public's beta testers. By the time the sales come around the firmware will probably move from v1.0 to v1.2. That's the version of firmware I'm looking for.

In between the initial sales releases and the discounted prices will come the reviews, tests, and image samples. That will give me an idea how much of a leap in IQ and capability the FF body will give me compared to a K-3. If the only difference between a K-3 and this FF is the increased FoV then I have to pass on this body. Perhaps the next FF body after this one would be for me ... but I would need to wait for the discounts and the updated firmware too.

In the end, it could be between 2 and 4 years before I seriously consider upgrading and laying out the cash for it. The K-3 is here to stay with me for a long time yet!

**monochrome** · 02-05-2015, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

Not going to happen. They might phase out screw drive in the lenses but not in the body. They still have in production lenses with screw drive. DFA 100mm macro for example. Not counting any of the regular vintage glass. And not even thinking of what owners of FA limiteds would say. So, no not going to happen. Maybe someday, on a bargain limited function body. But not this body.

ogl said:

Body mount is crippled KAF2, so the body has screw-drive motor
Lenses use KAF3, so they don't have gears, just the in-lens motor.

[EDIT:] Oh. Already answered.

zbrueningsen · 02-05-2015, 11:17 AM - **2 Likes**

I will not buy a FF if these threads stop because people are buying them.

Seriously, I get all the mockery of the one eye in focus, but there is more to it than that (which you can do on APS-C) with a FF. It is a sensor size that much of our legacy glass was MADE for. They were designed for this sensor size - so what Pentax completely intended for the lens by design will be on full exhibit for us to see. Obviously film is different than digital and I understand that.
But guys, really - 15 years ago - I was driving a white 1981 citation and was a sophomore in high school. I shot the K1000 with a 55 1.8 for journalism class. I currently own a K1000 SE (yep) and a K 55 1.8 and other film cameras. The magic they produce is much easier on digital because you don't have to wait for development.
I am excited for the die hards that held out for this. I am excited for the company as Ricoh intends to be a competitor and bring back the reputation of a stellar brand history. I am excited for a camera that will be one of the best in the category that it is in (just like the 645Z and K-3). I am excited for myself, because in 2016 I will get to buy one. I am excited because APS-C ability was pretty maxed out in 24 megapixels if we are talking lower than limited and DA*. I know there are certainly exceptions to that statement. Seriously, I'm in, this brand is excellent at what they make, and I am excited that they are making something that I would love to use and own!

cali92rs · 02-05-2015, 11:22 AM

If it is out of my budget.
If it doesn't have screw drive motor (I am almost positive it will, but if it doesn't, it is a deal breaker).
If they don't release a modern (i.e. autofocus with the fancy coatings) FF compatible lens. I am almost sure they will, but I have to see it before I lay down my cash for a new body.

stevebrot · 02-05-2015, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by mrNewt

Ummm... define "cup"

... we are still talking about cameras right?!

Oooops! Wrong forum!

Steve

svitekphotos · 02-05-2015, 11:31 AM

I will not buy the FF if it doesn't have built-in SR .... 99% sure it does, as the two new lenses don't have it built-in, but if there is no SR, I'm sticking with the K-3 and its children

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02-05-2015, 10:48 AM	#46
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by jatrax Not going to happen. They might phase out screw drive in the lenses but not in the body. They still have in production lenses with screw drive. DFA 100mm macro for example. Not counting any of the regular vintage glass. And not even thinking of what owners of FA limiteds would say. So, no not going to happen. Maybe someday, on a bargain limited function body. But not this body. Not sure why you quote me on that one, since I am pretty much saying that I doubt they will give up on the screw drive.

02-05-2015, 10:50 AM - 1 Like	#47
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by Parallax I was going to say that I won't buy one because I don't need to take shallow DOF, "only one eye in focus" portraits, but changed my mind. Good thing you didn't say that!

02-05-2015, 10:50 AM	#48
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by mrNewt Not sure why you quote me on that one, since I am pretty much saying that I doubt they will give up on the screw drive. I was agreeing with you and organizing the thread

02-05-2015, 10:52 AM	#49
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by LFLee OK, if you want to stay with APSC, please don't come to "Full Frame" forum, OK? They just can't help it Norm for example is the moth drawn to the flame so many times he's a Canadian phoenix!

02-05-2015, 10:52 AM	#50
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by jatrax I was agreeing with you and organizing the thread Oh... sorry then

02-05-2015, 10:54 AM	#51
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by jsherman999 They just can't help it They? Hmmmmmm.

02-05-2015, 10:59 AM	#52
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by LFLee Complete the sentence: “I will not buy the FF, if ____________" ... If it's more than $2200 for the body. Not because it's probably not worth it, but because my photography budget is not infinite and I already have a FF body (D800) so my justifications have to be incredibly convoluted. That ^ could change if this initial Pentax body is so freaking great I can't resist it... but then I may think of selling the D800. If I had no current FF? No-brainer, at almost any price under $4k, I'd be in the K-ff. I think I'd go used/Sigma/Tamron route though on the f/2.8 zooms, and then round out with FA 43 & 31 to go with my 77. .

02-05-2015, 11:04 AM	#53
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	I will not buy the FF if it does not have a multi-cup option.

02-05-2015, 11:08 AM	#54
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by stevebrot I will not buy the FF if it does not have a multi-cup option. Ummm... define "cup" ... we are still talking about cameras right?!

02-05-2015, 11:08 AM	#55
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	I would love to buy a FF body but I cant afford to be an early adopter. God you all who can. Count your blessings and be thankful for your good fortune. I have to wait for the sales. Early adopters iron out a lot of the bugs in the hardware and firmware. They are the public's beta testers. By the time the sales come around the firmware will probably move from v1.0 to v1.2. That's the version of firmware I'm looking for. In between the initial sales releases and the discounted prices will come the reviews, tests, and image samples. That will give me an idea how much of a leap in IQ and capability the FF body will give me compared to a K-3. If the only difference between a K-3 and this FF is the increased FoV then I have to pass on this body. Perhaps the next FF body after this one would be for me ... but I would need to wait for the discounts and the updated firmware too. In the end, it could be between 2 and 4 years before I seriously consider upgrading and laying out the cash for it. The K-3 is here to stay with me for a long time yet!

02-05-2015, 11:08 AM	#56
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by jatrax Not going to happen. They might phase out screw drive in the lenses but not in the body. They still have in production lenses with screw drive. DFA 100mm macro for example. Not counting any of the regular vintage glass. And not even thinking of what owners of FA limiteds would say. So, no not going to happen. Maybe someday, on a bargain limited function body. But not this body. ogl said: Body mount is crippled KAF2, so the body has screw-drive motor Lenses use KAF3, so they don't have gears, just the in-lens motor. [EDIT:] Oh. Already answered.

02-05-2015, 11:17 AM - 2 Likes	#57
zbrueningsen Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Nebraska Photos: Albums Posts: 902	I will not buy a FF if these threads stop because people are buying them. Seriously, I get all the mockery of the one eye in focus, but there is more to it than that (which you can do on APS-C) with a FF. It is a sensor size that much of our legacy glass was MADE for. They were designed for this sensor size - so what Pentax completely intended for the lens by design will be on full exhibit for us to see. Obviously film is different than digital and I understand that. But guys, really - 15 years ago - I was driving a white 1981 citation and was a sophomore in high school. I shot the K1000 with a 55 1.8 for journalism class. I currently own a K1000 SE (yep) and a K 55 1.8 and other film cameras. The magic they produce is much easier on digital because you don't have to wait for development. I am excited for the die hards that held out for this. I am excited for the company as Ricoh intends to be a competitor and bring back the reputation of a stellar brand history. I am excited for a camera that will be one of the best in the category that it is in (just like the 645Z and K-3). I am excited for myself, because in 2016 I will get to buy one. I am excited because APS-C ability was pretty maxed out in 24 megapixels if we are talking lower than limited and DA*. I know there are certainly exceptions to that statement. Seriously, I'm in, this brand is excellent at what they make, and I am excited that they are making something that I would love to use and own!

02-05-2015, 11:22 AM	#58
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	If it is out of my budget. If it doesn't have screw drive motor (I am almost positive it will, but if it doesn't, it is a deal breaker). If they don't release a modern (i.e. autofocus with the fancy coatings) FF compatible lens. I am almost sure they will, but I have to see it before I lay down my cash for a new body.

02-05-2015, 11:23 AM	#59
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by mrNewt Ummm... define "cup" ... we are still talking about cameras right?! Oooops! Wrong forum! Steve

02-05-2015, 11:31 AM	#60
svitekphotos New Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ontario Posts: 10	I will not buy the FF if it doesn't have built-in SR .... 99% sure it does, as the two new lenses don't have it built-in, but if there is no SR, I'm sticking with the K-3 and its children