No onboard flash ? :(

cxdoo · 02-06-2015, 03:36 AM

I hate the onboard flash for two reasons.

1. Stupid placement of popup button that makes me trigger it every time i want to shoot in portrait orientation.
2. Practical uselessness for everything but a pancake lens due to low position.

I'd prefer not to have it on my existing camera. Considering not buying a FF camera because of lack of it is, well, ridiculous. There are much better reasons not to buy it.

**clackers** · 02-06-2015, 03:36 AM

Yeah, I'll always have my 540 in my backpack, but never bring it in when I'm in one-lens-walk around mode.

cxdoo · 02-06-2015, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by clackers

Yeah, I'll always have my 540 in my backpack, but never bring it in when I'm in one-lens-walk around mode.

Hey, one-lens-walkaround is a ~~excuse~~ reason to buy K-S1 class camera!

**clackers** · 02-06-2015, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by cxdoo

Hey, one-lens-walkaround is a ~~excuse~~ reason to buy K-S1 class camera!

And of course, Cxdoo, that's what I have. :-)

Great pictures, a worthy successor to the K-x or K-01.

**TER-OR** · 02-06-2015, 06:50 AM

I like the convenience of the pop-up flash. Much of the time I'm out in the field or out with the dogs and if I'm not likely to mount or drag a hotshoe flash along. The biggest gripe I have is the trigger is too sensitive, or the flash can't be locked down. It does get bumped open, which so far hasn't broken but that's kind of lucky. I would like to see a simple slide lock for the switch, which would be more secure.

AquaDome · 02-06-2015, 10:20 AM - **1 Like**

Pop-up flash is my dirty little secret. I only use it when nobody is looking. I appreciate the manual power control the K-3 allows over the pop-up flash, but its still a pop-up flash. Its in the best place they could put it, and its still in a very bad position for a flash. Its best use is for controlling another flash.

For an entry-level camera, pop-up flash is appropriate. For the K-3, I'm glad its there but I don't really use it. For the new full frame camera, I would expect that the user would have already thought about their lighting solution, be it a hot-shoe flash, bracket-mounted handle-flash, or wireless off-camera flash. If you use strobes in the studio, you may not ever notice it doesn't have a pop-up, since you never looked for it.

bobell69 · 02-06-2015, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by AquaDome

Pop-up flash is my dirty little secret. I only use it when nobody is looking. I appreciate the manual power control the K-3 allows over the pop-up flash, but its still a pop-up flash. Its in the best place they could put it, and its still in a very bad position for a flash. Its best use is for controlling another flash.

For an entry-level camera, pop-up flash is appropriate. For the K-3, I'm glad its there but I don't really use it. For the new full frame camera, I would expect that the user would have already thought about their lighting solution, be it a hot-shoe flash, bracket-mounted handle-flash, or wireless off-camera flash. If you use strobes in the studio, you may not ever notice it doesn't have a pop-up, since you never looked for it.

I use the pop up flash less frequently than in the past. I now have a tendency to use the 540 or the 360.

Tesla · 02-06-2015, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by awaldram

Given the choice k3 size FF body no flash or d800 sized body with inbuilt flash I would give up inbuilt flash.!

The size shouldn't change. Take a look at the size of the body of the Nikon D610 or D750. Also adding a lock switch would solve the accidental pop up issue. Users that don't want to use it can just lock it and forget about it and yet it would be there for people that do want it.

Rico · 02-06-2015, 12:37 PM

To keep the camera as compact as possible there should be no pop up flash in my opinion.

Panasonic has included a small flash with their cameras that do not have a pop up flash.

Pentax should do the same for this full frame camera. Pentax should do it better by making a small and simple WR hotshoe powered Flash that at least tilts for some bounce. Swivel and Tilt would be better. It should be small enough that it would be no trouble having it with you at all time. A pop up flash for your pocket.

asp1880 · 02-06-2015, 12:58 PM - **1 Like**

I use the popup flash for daylight fill in family snaps. It's super convenient and if I had to drag a hot shoe flash unit along with my K-3+ DA15 shoulder combo I'd be sad.

Ricoh, please keep the popup flash like Nikon does.

Regards,
--Anders.

JimC1101 · 02-06-2015, 02:42 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by asp1880

I use the popup flash for daylight fill in family snaps. It's super convenient and if I had to drag a hot shoe flash unit along with my K-3+ DA15 shoulder combo I'd be sad.

Ricoh, please keep the popup flash like Nikon does.

Regards,
--Anders.

I hope so too and I think Pentax will do it.

I think a lot of people are missing the point at times. Yes, if you are planning to do studio work or a set position, it is a no brainer, use a speedlight, but when you are out and about, on board is the best. I think a majority of the mid level and professional cameras are used by individuals who have enough experience to know how to handle and adjust the flash effect properly. I think those of us who have used if for fill know exactly how to power down our on board to get the desired result. On a P&S camera, I rarely ever used a flash because it was too close to the lens. At least the onboard is extended on a DSLR and it is easy to use. For the people who said that using on board flash is amateurish or not professional simply don't understand how to use the on board flash effectively.

j2photos · 02-06-2015, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by JimC1101

I hope so too and I think Pentax will do it.

I think a lot of people are missing the point at times. Yes, if you are planning to do studio work or a set position, it is a no brainer, use a speedlight, but when you are out and about, on board is the best. I think a majority of the mid level and professional cameras are used by individuals who have enough experience to know how to handle and adjust the flash effect properly. I think those of us who have used if for fill know exactly how to power down our on board to get the desired result. On a P&S camera, I rarely ever used a flash because it was too close to the lens. At least the onboard is extended on a DSLR and it is easy to use. For the people who said that using on board flash is amateurish or not professional simply don't understand how to use the on board flash effectively.

Not so at all, if you know how to use speedlights(far more complicated than popup) then you know how to control the popup. Frankly the pop up flashes suck when compared to speedlights. Don't make a broad statement that you cannot backup on others skill that you have no clue of.

Tesla · 02-06-2015, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by j2photos

Not so at all, if you know how to use speedlights(far more complicated than popup) then you know how to control the popup. Frankly the pop up flashes suck when compared to speedlights. Don't make a broad statement that you cannot backup on others skill that you have no clue of.

Oh so you know it all.. It doesn't hurt to have a flash built into the camera.. If you don't like it, don't use it.

j2photos · 02-06-2015, 03:39 PM

Never said I knew it all, but it's isn't wise to make a broad assumption that someone doesn't know how to use a simple pop up.

Don't be surprised if/when it doesn't have a pop up flash. And trust me if it does I will most likely never use it. I can claim that the flash on my k-3 is still in New condition

Edit: I do know one thing though, a pop up on this camera will be useless to those it is intended for.

Tesla · 02-06-2015, 03:51 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by j2photos

Never said I knew it all, but it's isn't wise to make a broad assumption that someone doesn't know how to use a simple pop up.

Don't be surprised if/when it doesn't have a pop up flash. And trust me if it does I will most likely never use it. I can claim that the flash on my k-3 is still in New condition

Edit: I do know one thing though, a pop up on this camera will be useless to those it is intended for.

Sorry.. I shouldn't have said that. I'm not a pro and want FF. I know popup isn't as good as speedlight, but it is still convenient for those who just need some fill.

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02-06-2015, 03:36 AM	#31
cxdoo Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Limassol, Cyprus Posts: 1,150	I hate the onboard flash for two reasons. 1. Stupid placement of popup button that makes me trigger it every time i want to shoot in portrait orientation. 2. Practical uselessness for everything but a pancake lens due to low position. I'd prefer not to have it on my existing camera. Considering not buying a FF camera because of lack of it is, well, ridiculous. There are much better reasons not to buy it.

02-06-2015, 03:36 AM	#32
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Yeah, I'll always have my 540 in my backpack, but never bring it in when I'm in one-lens-walk around mode.

02-06-2015, 03:41 AM	#33
cxdoo Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Limassol, Cyprus Posts: 1,150	Originally posted by clackers Yeah, I'll always have my 540 in my backpack, but never bring it in when I'm in one-lens-walk around mode. Hey, one-lens-walkaround is a ~~excuse~~ reason to buy K-S1 class camera!

02-06-2015, 03:44 AM	#34
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by cxdoo Hey, one-lens-walkaround is a ~~excuse~~ reason to buy K-S1 class camera! And of course, Cxdoo, that's what I have. :-) Great pictures, a worthy successor to the K-x or K-01.

02-06-2015, 06:50 AM	#35
TER-OR Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dundee, IL Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,699	I like the convenience of the pop-up flash. Much of the time I'm out in the field or out with the dogs and if I'm not likely to mount or drag a hotshoe flash along. The biggest gripe I have is the trigger is too sensitive, or the flash can't be locked down. It does get bumped open, which so far hasn't broken but that's kind of lucky. I would like to see a simple slide lock for the switch, which would be more secure.

02-06-2015, 10:20 AM - 1 Like	#36
AquaDome Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: New Carlisle, IN Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,475	Pop-up flash is my dirty little secret. I only use it when nobody is looking. I appreciate the manual power control the K-3 allows over the pop-up flash, but its still a pop-up flash. Its in the best place they could put it, and its still in a very bad position for a flash. Its best use is for controlling another flash. For an entry-level camera, pop-up flash is appropriate. For the K-3, I'm glad its there but I don't really use it. For the new full frame camera, I would expect that the user would have already thought about their lighting solution, be it a hot-shoe flash, bracket-mounted handle-flash, or wireless off-camera flash. If you use strobes in the studio, you may not ever notice it doesn't have a pop-up, since you never looked for it.

02-06-2015, 12:08 PM	#37
bobell69 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Courtenay BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by AquaDome Pop-up flash is my dirty little secret. I only use it when nobody is looking. I appreciate the manual power control the K-3 allows over the pop-up flash, but its still a pop-up flash. Its in the best place they could put it, and its still in a very bad position for a flash. Its best use is for controlling another flash. For an entry-level camera, pop-up flash is appropriate. For the K-3, I'm glad its there but I don't really use it. For the new full frame camera, I would expect that the user would have already thought about their lighting solution, be it a hot-shoe flash, bracket-mounted handle-flash, or wireless off-camera flash. If you use strobes in the studio, you may not ever notice it doesn't have a pop-up, since you never looked for it. I use the pop up flash less frequently than in the past. I now have a tendency to use the 540 or the 360.

02-06-2015, 12:27 PM	#38
Tesla Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Washington State Posts: 589	Originally posted by awaldram Given the choice k3 size FF body no flash or d800 sized body with inbuilt flash I would give up inbuilt flash.! The size shouldn't change. Take a look at the size of the body of the Nikon D610 or D750. Also adding a lock switch would solve the accidental pop up issue. Users that don't want to use it can just lock it and forget about it and yet it would be there for people that do want it.

02-06-2015, 12:37 PM	#39
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,204	To keep the camera as compact as possible there should be no pop up flash in my opinion. Panasonic has included a small flash with their cameras that do not have a pop up flash. Pentax should do the same for this full frame camera. Pentax should do it better by making a small and simple WR hotshoe powered Flash that at least tilts for some bounce. Swivel and Tilt would be better. It should be small enough that it would be no trouble having it with you at all time. A pop up flash for your pocket.

02-06-2015, 12:58 PM - 1 Like	#40
asp1880 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lyngby, Copenhagen Photos: Albums Posts: 742	I use the popup flash for daylight fill in family snaps. It's super convenient and if I had to drag a hot shoe flash unit along with my K-3+ DA15 shoulder combo I'd be sad. Ricoh, please keep the popup flash like Nikon does. Regards, --Anders.

02-06-2015, 02:42 PM - 1 Like	#41
JimC1101 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Fremont, Ca Photos: Albums Posts: 395 Original Poster	Originally posted by asp1880 I use the popup flash for daylight fill in family snaps. It's super convenient and if I had to drag a hot shoe flash unit along with my K-3+ DA15 shoulder combo I'd be sad. Ricoh, please keep the popup flash like Nikon does. Regards, --Anders. I hope so too and I think Pentax will do it. I think a lot of people are missing the point at times. Yes, if you are planning to do studio work or a set position, it is a no brainer, use a speedlight, but when you are out and about, on board is the best. I think a majority of the mid level and professional cameras are used by individuals who have enough experience to know how to handle and adjust the flash effect properly. I think those of us who have used if for fill know exactly how to power down our on board to get the desired result. On a P&S camera, I rarely ever used a flash because it was too close to the lens. At least the onboard is extended on a DSLR and it is easy to use. For the people who said that using on board flash is amateurish or not professional simply don't understand how to use the on board flash effectively.

02-06-2015, 02:58 PM	#42
j2photos Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Manteca, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,653	Originally posted by JimC1101 I hope so too and I think Pentax will do it. I think a lot of people are missing the point at times. Yes, if you are planning to do studio work or a set position, it is a no brainer, use a speedlight, but when you are out and about, on board is the best. I think a majority of the mid level and professional cameras are used by individuals who have enough experience to know how to handle and adjust the flash effect properly. I think those of us who have used if for fill know exactly how to power down our on board to get the desired result. On a P&S camera, I rarely ever used a flash because it was too close to the lens. At least the onboard is extended on a DSLR and it is easy to use. For the people who said that using on board flash is amateurish or not professional simply don't understand how to use the on board flash effectively. Not so at all, if you know how to use speedlights(far more complicated than popup) then you know how to control the popup. Frankly the pop up flashes suck when compared to speedlights. Don't make a broad statement that you cannot backup on others skill that you have no clue of.

02-06-2015, 03:36 PM	#43
Tesla Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Washington State Posts: 589	Originally posted by j2photos Not so at all, if you know how to use speedlights(far more complicated than popup) then you know how to control the popup. Frankly the pop up flashes suck when compared to speedlights. Don't make a broad statement that you cannot backup on others skill that you have no clue of. Oh so you know it all.. It doesn't hurt to have a flash built into the camera.. If you don't like it, don't use it.

02-06-2015, 03:39 PM	#44
j2photos Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Manteca, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,653	Never said I knew it all, but it's isn't wise to make a broad assumption that someone doesn't know how to use a simple pop up. Don't be surprised if/when it doesn't have a pop up flash. And trust me if it does I will most likely never use it. I can claim that the flash on my k-3 is still in New condition Edit: I do know one thing though, a pop up on this camera will be useless to those it is intended for.

02-06-2015, 03:51 PM - 1 Like	#45
Tesla Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Washington State Posts: 589	Originally posted by j2photos Never said I knew it all, but it's isn't wise to make a broad assumption that someone doesn't know how to use a simple pop up. Don't be surprised if/when it doesn't have a pop up flash. And trust me if it does I will most likely never use it. I can claim that the flash on my k-3 is still in New condition Edit: I do know one thing though, a pop up on this camera will be useless to those it is intended for. Sorry.. I shouldn't have said that. I'm not a pro and want FF. I know popup isn't as good as speedlight, but it is still convenient for those who just need some fill.