What do you think the Pentax FF kit lens will be?

Wired · 02-09-2015, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

85mm f/1.8 => Because there already an FA77 having a "cheap" FA85 f/1.8 would hurt the sales. A very cheap 85mm f/2.4 plastic wonder like (<300€) and a very expensive and big 85mm f/1.4 (1000$+) would make more sense to me if you don't want to discontinue the FA ltd.

I just don't know if a cheap 85mm with an aperture of 2.4 would help sell the system when they compare it to what Nikon or Canon offers...but I do see your point. I think the compactness of the FA Limiteds with the high IQ are what will sell them on FF (it's what sold them to me in general), as long as they keep screw drive and can tame the PF/CA without changing anything more than the coatings.

Quote:

You say many think 24 is THE landscape lense, I agree that it is great but for wide angle I would also need a 35mm really. There much more use for a 35mm on FF than for a 24, at least to me.

While for me, I have no use for anything under 50mm or over 200mm.

Last edited by Wired; 02-09-2015 at 02:23 PM.

**monochrome** · 02-09-2015, 02:55 PM

What does the D810 offer as a kit lens? It could be similar:

Kit 1 - AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR
Kit 2 - AF-S NIKKOR 35mm f/1.8G ED, AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G, AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8G
Kit 3 - AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED

Of course we don't have many (any) of those lenses.

Kits are $4,500 - $4,800 street.

disconnekt · 02-09-2015, 03:59 PM - **1 Like**

I'd like to see them bring out either a 24-105mm or 24-120mm f/4.
Any thoughts of Pentax's 17-70 lens, and them just updating it to a FF f/2.8?

xinanbei · 02-09-2015, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by 6BQ5

On the one hand I think Ricoh would do well to package one of the Limited or the FA 50mm f/1.4. They could also do a premium package that includes all three of the Limiteds. Something similar is already done with the Q line.

They will definitely need some sort of zoom lens to choose from as well. IQ will need to trump everything here. Forget about a general purpose vacation lens. I agree with others who have posted ideas of a 24/28-70/90mm range. It's wide enough to be useful but not so wide that the designers need to start introducing heavy compromises for the sake of zoom range. The FA 28-105 f/3.2 is a nice lens and I would love to see an updated version of that design.

Agree with the excellent performance of the 28-105 f 3.2.

Since it is a kit lens, my guess would be 24/28- (80 to 105) f 3.5-4.5 (or 5.6). I would be very happy to see a constant f4 as a kit lens.

I have a bunch of FA and F series lens. For the expensive full frame camera, only the highly rated new lens would be in my consideration though.

Last edited by xinanbei; 02-09-2015 at 04:35 PM.

Wired · 02-09-2015, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

What does the D810 offer as a kit lens? It could be similar:

Kit 1 - AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR
Kit 2 - AF-S NIKKOR 35mm f/1.8G ED, AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G, AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8G
Kit 3 - AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED

Of course we don't have many (any) of those lenses.

Kits are $4,500 - $4,800 street.

They don't.

Nikon assumes if your spending $3000 on a body that you already have supporting glass or know exactly what you want. Unlike a D610/D750 potential purchaser who is either making the jump from another brand, or jumping up from DX line who most likely has little or no glass in their bag for their new purchase.

Now Nikon do have a pretty good collection of affordable "entry" level glass. ie: all of the 1.8 primes, f4 zooms, etc etc

**monochrome** · 02-09-2015, 05:07 PM

My suggestion is, what will Ricoh offer if this camera is actually targeted full professional, not prosumer?

Blue · 02-09-2015, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by hoopsontoast

D-FA 50mm f1.8 if they revise the naming system (maybe a premium body). Why not buck the trend.

May as well go with the FA 50/1.4 or even better, the FA 43/1.9 LTD.

Originally posted by disconnekt

I'd like to see them bring out either a 24-105mm or 24-120mm f/4.
Any thoughts of Pentax's 17-70 lens, and them just updating it to a FF f/2.8?

The 17-70 is an APS-C lens.

disconnekt · 02-09-2015, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Blue

May as well go with the FA 50/1.4 or even better, the FA 43/1.9 LTD.

The 17-70 is an APS-C lens.

I know, but update it & make it a Full Frame lens and make it a f/2.8

Blue · 02-09-2015, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by disconnekt

I know, but update it & make it a Full Frame lens and make it a f/2.8

That would be called a new lens. It would be more straight forward to update this lens.
FA* 28-70/2.8

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/zooms/short/FA28-70f2.8.html

yorik · 02-12-2015, 09:08 AM

I'd bet even money on a rebadged version of the new Tokina 24-70 f/2.8 (assuming the quality is good). Pentax has a little history sharing optics with Tokina, no?

**monochrome** · 02-12-2015, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by yorik

I'd bet even money on a rebadged version of the new Tokina 24-70 f/2.8 (assuming the quality is good). Pentax has a little history sharing optics with Tokina, no?

Why would Ricoh supply a co-branded or rebadged lens on a flagship, professional, halo camera? The lenses should be 100% own-engineering.

Blue · 02-12-2015, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Why would Ricoh supply a co-branded or rebadged lens on a flagship, professional, halo camera? The lenses should be 100% own-engineering.

I agree. They could tweak the DA* 55/1.4.

Jean Poitiers · 02-12-2015, 10:35 AM

Oh, my two cents ... exactly what it's worth. A starter prime(s), along with a decent zoom.

An HD version DA 50/1.8 with Quickshift added (and motor, maybe) ... good enough to start with ... and it's FF already.

Or an HD version DA 35/2.4 with Quckshift (and motor, maybe) ... again an FF lens.

Salut, J

mikeodial · 02-12-2015, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by disconnekt

I know, but update it & make it a Full Frame lens and make it a f/2.8

The 43 is not a big lens and would introduce new buyers to the FA limited range, hopefully providing some really great images straight out of the camera. Realistically, if this is a professional camera, they might as well just sell it as a body and let the dealers put some packages together based on different photographers needs.

LFLee · 02-12-2015, 11:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by j2photos

I don't think they will rush into building tons of lenses at first, I think they know there is a ton of glass available to anyone who purchases the full frame.

they needed to.... see the new lens road map.
- The kit lens seem to be the 28-105;
- Covering from large aperture (DFA*?) very wide zoom, DFA* 15-30 to the DFA* 24-70 zoom f2.8...

they also relisted the FA35 and FA50, plus the 3 FA ltds, they have the prime lenses pretty much covered for the short term.

They just need to re-release/update the FA*24, FA*85, and FA135 and they have a complete system, faster than the SONY E-mount.

02-09-2015, 02:55 PM	#47
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	What does the D810 offer as a kit lens? It could be similar: Kit 1 - AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR Kit 2 - AF-S NIKKOR 35mm f/1.8G ED, AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G, AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8G Kit 3 - AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED Of course we don't have many (any) of those lenses. Kits are $4,500 - $4,800 street.

02-09-2015, 04:35 PM	#50
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by monochrome What does the D810 offer as a kit lens? It could be similar: Kit 1 - AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR Kit 2 - AF-S NIKKOR 35mm f/1.8G ED, AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G, AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8G Kit 3 - AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED Of course we don't have many (any) of those lenses. Kits are $4,500 - $4,800 street. They don't. Nikon assumes if your spending $3000 on a body that you already have supporting glass or know exactly what you want. Unlike a D610/D750 potential purchaser who is either making the jump from another brand, or jumping up from DX line who most likely has little or no glass in their bag for their new purchase. Now Nikon do have a pretty good collection of affordable "entry" level glass. ie: all of the 1.8 primes, f4 zooms, etc etc

02-09-2015, 09:28 PM	#54
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by disconnekt I know, but update it & make it a Full Frame lens and make it a f/2.8 That would be called a new lens. It would be more straight forward to update this lens. FA* 28-70/2.8 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/zooms/short/FA28-70f2.8.html Last edited by Blue; 02-09-2015 at 09:55 PM.

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02-09-2015, 02:13 PM	#46
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by Nicolas06 85mm f/1.8 => Because there already an FA77 having a "cheap" FA85 f/1.8 would hurt the sales. A very cheap 85mm f/2.4 plastic wonder like (<300€) and a very expensive and big 85mm f/1.4 (1000$+) would make more sense to me if you don't want to discontinue the FA ltd. I just don't know if a cheap 85mm with an aperture of 2.4 would help sell the system when they compare it to what Nikon or Canon offers...but I do see your point. I think the compactness of the FA Limiteds with the high IQ are what will sell them on FF (it's what sold them to me in general), as long as they keep screw drive and can tame the PF/CA without changing anything more than the coatings. Quote: You say many think 24 is THE landscape lense, I agree that it is great but for wide angle I would also need a 35mm really. There much more use for a 35mm on FF than for a 24, at least to me. While for me, I have no use for anything under 50mm or over 200mm. Last edited by Wired; 02-09-2015 at 02:23 PM.

02-09-2015, 03:59 PM - 1 Like	#48
disconnekt Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: SoCal/I.E. Photos: Albums Posts: 1,699	I'd like to see them bring out either a 24-105mm or 24-120mm f/4. Any thoughts of Pentax's 17-70 lens, and them just updating it to a FF f/2.8?

02-09-2015, 04:27 PM	#49
xinanbei Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Delaware Posts: 314	Originally posted by 6BQ5 On the one hand I think Ricoh would do well to package one of the Limited or the FA 50mm f/1.4. They could also do a premium package that includes all three of the Limiteds. Something similar is already done with the Q line. They will definitely need some sort of zoom lens to choose from as well. IQ will need to trump everything here. Forget about a general purpose vacation lens. I agree with others who have posted ideas of a 24/28-70/90mm range. It's wide enough to be useful but not so wide that the designers need to start introducing heavy compromises for the sake of zoom range. The FA 28-105 f/3.2 is a nice lens and I would love to see an updated version of that design. Agree with the excellent performance of the 28-105 f 3.2. Since it is a kit lens, my guess would be 24/28- (80 to 105) f 3.5-4.5 (or 5.6). I would be very happy to see a constant f4 as a kit lens. I have a bunch of FA and F series lens. For the expensive full frame camera, only the highly rated new lens would be in my consideration though. Last edited by xinanbei; 02-09-2015 at 04:35 PM.

02-09-2015, 05:07 PM	#51
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	My suggestion is, what will Ricoh offer if this camera is actually targeted full professional, not prosumer?

02-09-2015, 09:09 PM	#52
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by hoopsontoast D-FA 50mm f1.8 if they revise the naming system (maybe a premium body). Why not buck the trend. May as well go with the FA 50/1.4 or even better, the FA 43/1.9 LTD. Originally posted by disconnekt I'd like to see them bring out either a 24-105mm or 24-120mm f/4. Any thoughts of Pentax's 17-70 lens, and them just updating it to a FF f/2.8? The 17-70 is an APS-C lens.

02-09-2015, 09:25 PM	#53
disconnekt Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: SoCal/I.E. Photos: Albums Posts: 1,699	Originally posted by Blue May as well go with the FA 50/1.4 or even better, the FA 43/1.9 LTD. The 17-70 is an APS-C lens. I know, but update it & make it a Full Frame lens and make it a f/2.8

02-12-2015, 09:08 AM	#55
yorik Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Scotts Valley, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 991	I'd bet even money on a rebadged version of the new Tokina 24-70 f/2.8 (assuming the quality is good). Pentax has a little history sharing optics with Tokina, no?

02-12-2015, 09:30 AM	#56
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by yorik I'd bet even money on a rebadged version of the new Tokina 24-70 f/2.8 (assuming the quality is good). Pentax has a little history sharing optics with Tokina, no? Why would Ricoh supply a co-branded or rebadged lens on a flagship, professional, halo camera? The lenses should be 100% own-engineering.

02-12-2015, 09:31 AM	#57
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by monochrome Why would Ricoh supply a co-branded or rebadged lens on a flagship, professional, halo camera? The lenses should be 100% own-engineering. I agree. They could tweak the DA* 55/1.4.

02-12-2015, 10:35 AM	#58
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076	Oh, my two cents ... exactly what it's worth. A starter prime(s), along with a decent zoom. An HD version DA 50/1.8 with Quickshift added (and motor, maybe) ... good enough to start with ... and it's FF already. Or an HD version DA 35/2.4 with Quckshift (and motor, maybe) ... again an FF lens. *Salut,* J

02-12-2015, 11:38 AM	#59
mikeodial Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 370	Originally posted by disconnekt I know, but update it & make it a Full Frame lens and make it a f/2.8 The 43 is not a big lens and would introduce new buyers to the FA limited range, hopefully providing some really great images straight out of the camera. Realistically, if this is a professional camera, they might as well just sell it as a body and let the dealers put some packages together based on different photographers needs.

02-12-2015, 11:45 AM - 1 Like	#60
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	Originally posted by j2photos I don't think they will rush into building tons of lenses at first, I think they know there is a ton of glass available to anyone who purchases the full frame. they needed to.... see the new lens road map. - The kit lens seem to be the 28-105; - Covering from large aperture (DFA?) very wide zoom, DFA 15-30 to the DFA* 24-70 zoom f2.8... they also relisted the FA35 and FA50, plus the 3 FA ltds, they have the prime lenses pretty much covered for the short term. They just need to re-release/update the FA24, FA85, and FA135 and they have a complete system, faster than the SONY E-mount.