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02-12-2015, 12:15 PM   #61
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Why would Ricoh supply a co-branded or rebadged lens on a flagship, professional, halo camera?
Two answers...

(tongue-in-cheek): To give the knights who say `pentax-is-doomed' new fuel.

(tongue-out-of-cheek): I thought it might be possible that Pentax had a hand in designing the Tokina lens. They have collaborated in the past I believe (the DA 35 ltd?). Even if they didn't, they might be able to modify it to suit the Pentax ethos (with WR, etc.).

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The lenses should be 100% own-engineering.
Why? There are plenty of excellent, pentax-designed, full-frame primes ready to go for die-hard pentaxians. Ricoh/Pentax should have a standard zoom on offer for potential professional (e.g., event photographers) converts to give the FF a chance to compete. If it says `Pentax' on it and is up to snuff optically, that should be enough.

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QuoteOriginally posted by yorik Quote
Two answers...

(tongue-in-cheek): To give the knights who say `pentax-is-doomed' new fuel.

(tongue-out-of-cheek): I thought it might be possible that Pentax had a hand in designing the Tokina lens. They have collaborated in the past I believe (the DA 35 ltd?). Even if they didn't, they might be able to modify it to suit the Pentax ethos (with WR, etc.).

Why? There are plenty of excellent, pentax-designed, full-frame primes ready to go for die-hard pentaxians. Ricoh/Pentax should have a standard zoom on offer for potential professional (e.g., event photographers) converts to give the FF a chance to compete. If it says `Pentax' on it and is up to snuff optically, that should be enough.
Releasing a competitive professional camera and lenses is as much about street cred as about selling gear. It's a way for Ricoh to lay down their marker and say - "This is our stuff, not Tokina's" It has to be BETTER than co-engineered or rebadged - BETTER!!

If there's an enthusiast body and or an entry-level FF - yeah, sure, release a lens priced to match the body price-point.

But not the flagship. That would be like doing a rebadged Tammy to replace FA645 25~45/4.

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QuoteOriginally posted by LFLee Quote

they needed to.... see the new lens road map.
- The kit lens seem to be the 28-105;
- Covering from large aperture (DFA*?) very wide zoom, DFA* 15-30 to the DFA* 24-70 zoom f2.8...

they also relisted the FA35 and FA50, plus the 3 FA ltds, they have the prime lenses pretty much covered for the short term.

They just need to re-release/update the FA*24, FA*85, and FA135 and they have a complete system, faster than the SONY E-mount.
A wise man wrote there are 6 - 8 new FF lenses coming by winter 2016.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Releasing a competitive professional camera and lenses is as much about street cred as about selling gear. It's a way for Ricoh to lay down their marker and say - "This is our stuff, not Tokina's" It has to be BETTER than co-engineered or rebadged - BETTER!!

If there's an enthusiast body and or an entry-level FF - yeah, sure, release a lens priced to match the body price-point.

But not the flagship. That would be like doing a rebadged Tammy to replace FA645 25~45/4.
Your look like a snob. What count is the result.

Maybe we should dismiss the 16-50, 12-24, 50-135, DA35 because of this. Maybe we also should dismiss all the lenses that are just reusing old design instead of doing something new (DA35, DA55, DFA100 macro, DA200, DA300). We could also dismiss all the entry level and everything that is not f/1.4 prime at least of f/2.8 zoom and everything that is not rasor sharp on extreme border.

Hey that way, no lense from any brand is worth it !

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QuoteOriginally posted by LFLee Quote

they needed to.... see the new lens road map.
- The kit lens seem to be the 28-105;
- Covering from large aperture (DFA*?) very wide zoom, DFA* 15-30 to the DFA* 24-70 zoom f2.8...

they also relisted the FA35 and FA50, plus the 3 FA ltds, they have the prime lenses pretty much covered for the short term.

They just need to re-release/update the FA*24, FA*85, and FA135 and they have a complete system, faster than the SONY E-mount.
They have never used a * in conjunction with the D FA naming convention. The last time they used * was with the DA* 55/1.4.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
Your look like a snob. What count is the result.

Maybe we should dismiss the 16-50, 12-24, 50-135, DA35 because of this.
When were those issued? Who owned the company then? How much did the Pentax FF flagship, halo camera cost? Oh wait. There wasn't one.
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Maybe we also should dismiss all the lenses that are just reusing old design instead of doing something new (DA35, DA55, DFA100 macro, DA200, DA300).
Which of those was not designed by Pentax? Which of those will not be updated and reissued by Ricoh?
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We could also dismiss all the entry level and everything that is not f/1.4 prime at least of f/2.8 zoom and everything that is not rasor sharp on extreme border.
The K-2 will not be an entry level camera. It should not have an entry level kit lens.
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Hey that way, no lense from any brand is worth it !
Of course they are - did you not read my post? The kit lens should be of the same quality and target market as the camera body. Clean up the DA*55/1.4 and that will work.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Releasing a competitive professional camera and lenses is as much about street cred as about selling gear. It's a way for Ricoh to lay down their marker and say - "This is our stuff, not Tokina's" It has to be BETTER than co-engineered or rebadged - BETTER!!

If there's an enthusiast body and or an entry-level FF - yeah, sure, release a lens priced to match the body price-point.

But not the flagship. That would be like doing a rebadged Tammy to replace FA645 25~45/4.
I suppose that we will have to agree to disagree on this one... (amiably )

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They have never used a * in conjunction with the D FA naming convention. The last time they used * was with the DA* 55/1.4.
Until the D-FA* 70-200 (per the recent road map).
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
When were those issued? Who owned the company then? How much did the Pentax FF flagship, halo camera cost? Oh wait. There wasn't one.
While the SDM is a bit slow and had some issues thoses lenses are great... DA35 is viewed by some as a near perfect lense. DA50-135 is a great lense too and it's form factor is unique for what it does offer. DA12-24 is seen by many as a very well rounded, great lense too.

DA20-40, DA15, DA21 are all I think 100% pentax design and many complain about them.

I wonder, the great designer of the FA ltd left and is now working for tamron, did he loose suddenly the skills when he was hired by tamron? Should the FA43, FA77 and DA*55 be dismissed because of that?

Or would lenses made by him under Tamron could be considered as good lense worth of being rebadged by Pentax? What to think if somebody that was working from Samyang or Sigma is finally hired by Pentax?

Maybe these something inherent that make Pentax/Canon/Nikon/Sony/Panasonic/Olympus/Fuji making better designs because they do also make cameras? Then other brands like Tamron, Sigma or Zeiss, Voigtlander, Samyang as third party makers can't ever hope to design something as good?

Oh wait, Sigma is making some camera? Maybe they are good enough then?

Really the whole logic make no sense.

The lense should be good and that it has been designed by my little sister or Wilson Churchill we shouldn't care.


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It looks like the next lens to get the * designation will be the HD PENTAX-D FA★ 70-200mm F2.8ED DC AW,
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QuoteOriginally posted by LFLee Quote

they needed to.... see the new lens road map.
- The kit lens seem to be the 28-105;
I've heard 28-135/3.5-5.6... Secret info. USD600.
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QuoteOriginally posted by yorik Quote
I suppose that we will have to agree to disagree on this one... (amiably )



Until the D-FA* 70-200 (per the recent road map).
That 70-200 isn't on the market yet. The designation of either or both these lenses could change by then but I expect the 70-200 to be the first D FA* lens ever released.
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