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02-07-2015, 06:24 PM   #16
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wait the full specs of the FF, if i they have a selectable cropmode (Crop FF lenses).... im in! a pseudo k30 crop resolution from a expected 36mpx sensor is ok to me; If not possible, wait for the specs of the K3ii and think about it

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Although I am truly excited, (for others in dire "need" of such a camera) with the announcement of the FF, I personally will not go into a FF system.
Don't get me wrong: this is indeed an exciting news proving that Ricoh "has a plan" (as someone shows in his signature here on this forum).

For me, it is simple:

Keep the APS-C format.
Sell most of my FF glass (FA limited's and such)
Get the new 150-450 zoom lens (upon approval by users !)
Likely move on to a K5IIs from my K5 (or a K3 II maybe, we never know ...??)

I like the added "reach" that the APS-C offers and of course, I will never be able to afford a full FF system for what I do most: birding!
02-07-2015, 07:30 PM   #18
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FF is great for birding. Tracking is much easier. Crop later. "zoom" capability even with a prime. Done done.
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I'll spend my $3,000 or so on a K-3 and D-FA 150-450. My kit is heavy enough already.

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A fascinating time.

The quality from Pentax gear has, in my experience, been always satisfactory. A move into the medium format space guaranteed any defects are assuredly down to me. The APS-C *istD, K-01, & K-3 all "draw" well, & support my K-mount glass.

It seems the issues with 36x24 come down to a 2/3 change in effective focal length, back to the days of "plastic sensors" in convenient strips of 36.

The 43 will again come into it's own.
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I just hope it's around $2000.
I have 24mm,30mm, 50mm, 24-70,100mm, da40mm,da*300mm and so on, and so on for FF. I'll jump on it for $1500 in a year or so.
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My current 'strategy' is pretty simple. In the course of 2015 I'll pick up one or two more pieces of Pentax FF glass, and then once the FF gets released, I'll learn as much as i can about the new camera. Then in 2016 I'll get a Pentax FF, maybe once the body gets to firmware v1.1.

However if the Pentax FF turns out to be a really awesome performer with no fatal flaws (and is really well priced), I might be tempted to amend my strategy.
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My "strategy" depends on the FF specs and budget.

FF should ...
... give me 1-2 Stops better ISO performance than my K5
... cost limit 2.000,- €

Today I think I'll not take a 36MP or above FF. Something between 16 and 24 MP would be fine.

I'm really interested in the announced DFA lenses. But they are expensive and heavy and the one I would like to get first doesn't exist yet - something like a DFA f2.8(-4.0)/20-40 (or 20-50) compact high quality (IQ & built).

As I'd like to have a wide angle lens I may buy a HD DA15 first and wait what's coming in the future.

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QuoteOriginally posted by acoufap Quote
My "strategy" depends on the FF specs and budget.

FF should ...
... give me 1-2 Stops better ISO performance than my K5
... cost limit 2.000,- €
On same sensor technology this is 1.15 stop more or less in theory... And that match the DxO score the sensors get.

But don't forget that to get it you'll have to live with the shallower deph of field too. Thus the better high iso performance work really when you are at the widest apperture of the lense, would want/accept shallower deph of field to lower the iso but can't because the lense doesn't support it. If you happen to have the equivalent lense with the same apperture... of course.

So yes a 35mm f/1.4 on APSC can be replaced by 50mm f/1.4 rougly. 50mm f/1.4 get replaced by 85mm f/1.4...

But many time a 200mm f/2.8 will get replaced by 300mm f/4... Because 300mm f/2.8 is simply too big, too expensive. And thus you'll not leverage at all the better high iso performance from the FF.

Even if you do no better than 108mm f/2.5 on FF, you aren't going to see any improvement for noise compared to 77mm f/1.8

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I missed such a big news. Finally Pentax FF for old lenses. I will keep K-5IIs, buy FF and see if it will be enough to keep only FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Canada_Rockies Quote
I'll spend my $3,000 or so on a K-3 and D-FA 150-450. My kit is heavy enough already.

My APS-C kit was too heavy. My FF stuff is way lighter.One man's experience...
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I have no strategy. If I buy an FF, I have the 35 2.4, FA 50 1.7, FA 35-80, F-70-210, Sigma 70 macro, and my A-400. That has all happened without any strategy at all. Sometimes having a strategy is over-rated. My advice would be buy the lenses that make you happy. If they are all APs-c then you're wasting your money buying an FF. On the other hand, if you own a functional array of FF lenses, then an FF should be in your future. Why force the issue buying lenses for a camera you may never buy?

The issue for me (and most people) is we can't afford equivalent FF glass. To replace my A-400, I need 600mm glass. I will neither pay for nor carry a 600mm lens, when all I need is a 400 for my APS-c body.
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
I have no strategy. If I buy an FF, I have the 35 2.4, FA 50 1.7, FA 35-80, F-70-210, Sigma 70 macro, and my A-400. That has all happened without any strategy at all. Sometimes having a strategy is over-rated. My advice would be buy the lenses that make you happy. If they are all APs-c then you're wasting your money buying an FF. On the other hand, if you own a functional array of FF lenses, then an FF should be in your future. Why force the issue buying lenses for a camera you may never buy?

The issue for me (and most people) is we can't afford equivalent FF glass. To replace my A-400, I need 600mm glass. I will neither pay for nor carry a 600mm lens, when all I need is a 400 for my APS-c body.
I just crop. It's way easier than carrying 600mm glass.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I just crop. It's way easier than carrying 600mm glass.
And who knows, it could be an acceptable solution, but cropping doesn't get you 24 MP. I crop even using APS-c often to about 4000x3000. Using the same ratio with a 15 Mp crop, I'd end up with 10 Mp. and for my work about 12 mp of actual file size seems to be about a minimum. Although we have sold prints at 10 Mp. It's close enough I'd have to try it out, to be sure. I can see that working or not working. Only experience will tell.

I don't think there's much question I get about 20% more resolution with a K-3 in good light than cropping an FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I just crop. It's way easier than carrying 600mm glass.
APSC shooters do crop too

Why spend 2000$+ on a big sensor , heavy camera if you think you'll use less than the APSC sensor size anyway due to cropping? Make no sense.
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