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02-12-2015, 04:49 PM   #61
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Part of Pentax's process in setting pricing could include gathering a fact base that includes reading this site…… so please everybody stop throwing out high numbers. Lets all say $1700-$1800…..max.

Not that we Pentaxians are cheap….. we just like to look after our retired brother and sisters! (or the younger ones who have their children's orthodontists bills to think off….very important to have straight white teeth for the kids shots once the FF is here…...)


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02-12-2015, 05:59 PM   #62
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Let's face it. The camera will be priced to be a value for the features and construction, not for the price, versus whatever the major alternative camera is. So considering Nikon, priced 5% or 10% below the D810, D750 or D610, with better quality and a few more features at each level.

Final price is not the driver. Features are the driver It all depends whether they start at the top or the bottom and what features they build into the camera. Given the indications on the lenses we know about it looks to me like they'll start nearer the top than the bottom.

There will likely be more than one body. There will likely be a somewhat different product strategy for APSc (but the K-3 type flagship stays in that format).

They're not bad businessmen. They'll make plenty of money whichever way they go. .
02-12-2015, 07:23 PM   #63
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QuoteOriginally posted by kooks Quote
This is all about sales.. no sales = no money ... .
No. It is all about profit. You still argue as if price is totally independent on cost. Such an approach is a sure recipe for bankruptcy
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
No. It is all about profit. You still argue as if price is totally independent on cost. Such an approach is a sure recipe for bankruptcy
Profit comes with sales quantities... but we can continue this arguement for a long time that i wont change your mind and you wont change mine.. so we'll have to wait and see.



According to the interview that they just gave to PentaxForums this camera aint totally directed to "pros", they talk about it as a camera for their costumers that "waited for a long time".. And we all know, Pentax doesnt have that many pros so we can assume that the costumers that they are talking about are the "average" Pentax costumers, people that havent spend more than $1300 in a new body... are this same people willing to pay $3000?? .. as i said before, i dont expect something like $1500 .. but something around $2000 and $2200 maybe.

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Profit comes with sales quantities... but we can continue this arguement for a long time that i wont change your mind and you wont change mine.. so we'll have to wait and see.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhTjrCsTIqE

According to the interview that they just gave to PentaxForums this camera aint totally directed to "pros", they talk about it as a camera for their costumers that "waited for a long time".. And we all know, Pentax doesnt have that many pros so we can assume that the costumers that they are talking about are the "average" Pentax costumers, people that havent spend more than $1300 in a new body... are this same people willing to pay $3000?? .. as i said before, i dont expect something like $1500 .. but something around $2000 and $2200 maybe.
Listen agaiun.

They talk about the customers they lost to the other brands, and they want them back. That's the pros. They thank the rest of us for waiting so long.

You aren't helping anything raising false hopes on baseless and incorrect speculation.

Which is better for the company:

$14,000,000 sales at 14% profit or $8,000,000 at 26% profit?

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Listen agaiun.

They talk about the customers they lost to the other brands, and they want them back. That's the pros. They thank the rest of us for waiting so long.

You aren't helping anything raising false hopes on baseless and incorrect speculation.
so you are telling that all the people that left the brand in order to buy a FF are pros? .. thats so not true.. Perhaps some, yes.. but not all.. and how are they going to bring them back offering a product that we can assume that behaves like the cameras that they already have? . are they going to lose all the investment that they did switching brands just because Pentax have a new FF?? . that is not going to happen ...

Im not raising false hopes.. perhaps is MY hope, but is not nessesary something that is going to happen because at this time is ALL SPECULATION.. we dont know nothing for sure about the price more than what everyone thinks that could happen.

Which is better 2666 people buying lenses and accesories or 7000??

Actually you can see it in the poll at this forum about the money that people is willing to spend.. 111 people said that they will invest ( in average ) something between 1500 and 2500 .. lets say $2000 .. and just 23 said that are going to invest more than $3000 .. lets say $3000 ( to make it more simple )... That means that selling the body at $2000 they will get $222000 at 14% profit = $31080 .. on the other hand 23 people at $3000 will make $69000 at 26% profit will make around $17940...

Is not just how much profit will they make in 1 single product, is also how many people is willing to buy this product and all the other things that come along with the product ( lenses for example )


It all depends how do you see it and how are the plans for the future. They will not have just the body.. they will have new lenses, new grips, new flashes, etc... and somebody will have to buy all that too.

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I think for every accessory based product other than luxury or specialists gear a big user base is key.
At the moment there is no user base for digital FF Pentax cameras. Without this user base premium FF accessorys (mainly lenses) won´t bring the profit. (Gaming consoles are often sold with a loss because the profit comes with the games on a big user base) Third partys won´t produce products for a few users, media coverage won´t be big for only a few people interested in the product,...
In my opinion they need to provide an accessible FF with a big feature set to establish a user base and get the attention of open minded photographers (Brand loyality is strong). This user base won´t be the casual photographer, but imho it needs to be a good portion of the enthusiasts and gearheads. Pros will come when they think the systems economy is strong and reliable. Pentax needs good services for the pros as well. Of course some features never seen before would help a lot. Getting some prominent figure heads would help as well.
Overall i don´t think they would benefit from jumping into the FF market with (only) a high price model. They should at least have a "jump to FF-model" and a bit later a high end pro level FF. Therefore, if i would be in their shoes, i would first provide a high quality semipro-enthusiast FF at about 2000€ and later open fully to the pro market with a premium 3500-4000$ body when Pentax FF is a known player and not a risky move into an unknown future for professionals.
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