To articulate or not to articulate

**todd** · 02-13-2015, 05:58 PM

That is the articulating I am after here... I've seen articulations of possible/probable articulating screens for our forthcoming FF.... Haven't had this capability since my first digital camera (a Nikon CP 5000) almost 10 years ago, and actually used it a lot (until one of my kids broke the lens argh). So, articulation on my FF seems a very welcomed addition, but when someone voiced opinion in another thread that it would be vulnerable to breaking, it got me second guessing my enthusiasm for this feature... Another said it would probably be like the tilting 645Z (just tilts straight up, right? How far?) which I would assume is plenty sturdy if it's on the Z, but the next thought for me is that tilting is also quite a bit less handy than full articulation....

**ramseybuckeye** · 02-13-2015, 06:09 PM

I can't imagine that it would not be fully articulating since the weather sealed K-S2 just came out with a fully articulating screen.

officiousbystander · 02-13-2015, 06:49 PM

I prefer tilting. It's more unobtrusive. Potential subjects don't always see what you're doing. Unfolding an articulating screen to view it from different angles almost doubles the width of the camera.

Adam · 02-13-2015, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by todd

That is the articulating I am after here... I've seen articulations of possible/probable articulating screens for our forthcoming FF.... Haven't had this capability since my first digital camera (a Nikon CP 5000) almost 10 years ago, and actually used it a lot (until one of my kids broke the lens argh). So, articulation on my FF seems a very welcomed addition, but when someone voiced opinion in another thread that it would be vulnerable to breaking, it got me second guessing my enthusiasm for this feature... Another said it would probably be like the tilting 645Z (just tilts straight up, right? How far?) which I would assume is plenty sturdy if it's on the Z, but the next thought for me is that tilting is also quite a bit less handy than full articulation....

The FF will probably have a tilting screen based on the design that was shown. An articulating screen has its merits for videos and selfies, but we have yet to see one in an enthusiast level FF.

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**todd** · 02-13-2015, 06:52 PM

Looking at the K-S2 pics on the review page, it looks pretty sturdy... Does it hit the shelves soon? I'd like people to abuse it for me a little bit for at least a few months before FF is released...

Originally posted by Adam

The FF will probably have a tilting screen based on the design that was shown. An articulating screen has its merits for videos and selfies, but we have yet to see one in an enthusiast level FF.

Aha makes sense... The more I think about it, I could be happy either way... A straight up tilt could be really handy for being unobtrusive, kind of like TLR shooting...

Tanzer · 02-13-2015, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by officiousbystander

I prefer tilting. It's more unobtrusive. Potential subjects don't always see what you're doing. Unfolding an articulating screen to view it from different angles almost doubles the width of the camera.

Totally agree with this comment. I really like the tilting screen on my MX-1, because I can leave it tilted up, even between shots. I hate the articulated screen on my camcorder because it is always poking out vulnerably to the side, and I get tired of constantly opening and closing it. I suppose if I took a lot of selfies I might have more use for an articulated screen.

stevebrot · 02-13-2015, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by todd

but when someone voiced opinion in another thread that it would be vulnerable to breaking, it got me second guessing my enthusiasm for this feature... Another said it would probably be like the tilting 645Z (just tilts straight up, right? How far?) which I would assume is plenty sturdy if it's on the Z, but the next thought for me is that tilting is also quite a bit less handy than full articulation....

You are thinking pretty straight. Full articulation is mostly useful for triggering the shutter for selfies or working at right angles to the camera. Tilt is useful for high/low angle work. Both involve some compromise in terms of ruggedness and moisture sealing. The functionality of both can be accomplished with a field monitor.

Steve

P.S. I have had an articulating screen fail...

Steve.Ledger · 02-13-2015, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

You are thinking pretty straight. Full articulation is mostly useful for triggering the shutter for selfies or working at right angles to the camera. Tilt is useful for high/low angle work. Both involve some compromise in terms of ruggedness and moisture sealing. The functionality of both can be accomplished with a field monitor.

Steve

P.S. I have had an articulating screen fail...

True, but that's an additional cost, more power (batteries), cables and open port covers and frankly really inconvenient (I have a Lilliput). Besides, if there's no HDMI out during recording (playback only) then it's not an option at all.
Fine for tripod work or in a rig, but that's a whole different story.

rawr · 02-13-2015, 10:16 PM

I prefer tilting, like the 645Z screen, and the screens of the NEX cameras I've used (NEX-5, NEX-F3).

Unless you can have both articulating AND tilt (against the camera body). Which doesn't seem possible with the K-S2, or any articulating screen camera that I've seen.

**todd** · 02-13-2015, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

selfies

But think of the potential for fake selfies... Pretending to take selfies while scanning the scene behind...

rrstuff · 02-14-2015, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by todd

But think of the potential for fake selfies... Pretending to take selfies while scanning the scene behind...

Good one. Or articulate it to the side, just a little bit, facing inwards. Someone is thinking you are just busy rubbing off some dirt from the side of your camera, and then snap, pictured. lol

Gray · 02-14-2015, 02:34 AM

I had a fully articulated screen on my Canon G11 and loved it. Very, very useful for near ground and above head work. My Sony RX100II has a tilt screen, which is an ok substitute.
I would much prefer a fully articulated screen like the new K-S2 on the new FF.

Fogel70 · 02-14-2015, 04:36 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rawr

I prefer tilting, like the 645Z screen, and the screens of the NEX cameras I've used (NEX-5, NEX-F3).

Unless you can have both articulating AND tilt (against the camera body). Which doesn't seem possible with the K-S2, or any articulating screen camera that I've seen.

The top of the line Sony SLT cameras has a screens that both tilts and articulates. They have a tilt mechanism at the top of the screen and swivel at the botton. This makes a very flexible soultion, but it might be difficult to design for DSLR as it require more space. Which might make the OVF difficult to use.

rawr · 02-14-2015, 02:36 PM - **1 Like**

The Sony A77II screen looks interesting and well implemented.

Certainly less messy looking than the Nikon D750 tilt screen

From what I can see, the Pentax FF won't be a traditional left-hinge design, but will flip down from the top,
judging by the [awkward] finger grip space below the viewfinder, and the lack of any visible hinge:

From the presentation of the screen in the FF mockup it doesn't look identical to the 645Z tilting screen.
However it looks like the FF tilting screen will hinge from the bottom, just like the 645Z screen, and could
probably allow a similar degree of tilt as the 645Z (35 degrees downwards and 125 degrees up) :

stevebrot · 02-16-2015, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by todd

But think of the potential for fake selfies... Pretending to take selfies while scanning the scene behind...

You mean like the kind taken by fake street photographers and dirty old men at the beach

Steve

02-13-2015, 05:58 PM	#1
todd Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,791	To articulate or not to articulate That is the articulating I am after here... I've seen articulations of possible/probable articulating screens for our forthcoming FF.... Haven't had this capability since my first digital camera (a Nikon CP 5000) almost 10 years ago, and actually used it a lot (until one of my kids broke the lens argh). So, articulation on my FF seems a very welcomed addition, but when someone voiced opinion in another thread that it would be vulnerable to breaking, it got me second guessing my enthusiasm for this feature... Another said it would probably be like the tilting 645Z (just tilts straight up, right? How far?) which I would assume is plenty sturdy if it's on the Z, but the next thought for me is that tilting is also quite a bit less handy than full articulation....

02-14-2015, 02:36 PM - 1 Like	#14
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	The Sony A77II screen looks interesting and well implemented. Certainly less messy looking than the Nikon D750 tilt screen From what I can see, the Pentax FF won't be a traditional left-hinge design, but will flip down from the top, judging by the [awkward] finger grip space below the viewfinder, and the lack of any visible hinge: From the presentation of the screen in the FF mockup it doesn't look identical to the 645Z tilting screen. However it looks like the FF tilting screen will hinge from the bottom, just like the 645Z screen, and could probably allow a similar degree of tilt as the 645Z (35 degrees downwards and 125 degrees up) : Last edited by rawr; 02-14-2015 at 02:43 PM.

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02-13-2015, 06:09 PM	#2
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,292	I can't imagine that it would not be fully articulating since the weather sealed K-S2 just came out with a fully articulating screen.

02-13-2015, 06:49 PM	#3
officiousbystander Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Sydney Photos: Gallery Posts: 912	I prefer tilting. It's more unobtrusive. Potential subjects don't always see what you're doing. Unfolding an articulating screen to view it from different angles almost doubles the width of the camera.

02-13-2015, 06:51 PM	#4
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595	Originally posted by todd That is the articulating I am after here... I've seen articulations of possible/probable articulating screens for our forthcoming FF.... Haven't had this capability since my first digital camera (a Nikon CP 5000) almost 10 years ago, and actually used it a lot (until one of my kids broke the lens argh). So, articulation on my FF seems a very welcomed addition, but when someone voiced opinion in another thread that it would be vulnerable to breaking, it got me second guessing my enthusiasm for this feature... Another said it would probably be like the tilting 645Z (just tilts straight up, right? How far?) which I would assume is plenty sturdy if it's on the Z, but the next thought for me is that tilting is also quite a bit less handy than full articulation.... The FF will probably have a tilting screen based on the design that was shown. An articulating screen has its merits for videos and selfies, but we have yet to see one in an enthusiast level FF. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

02-13-2015, 06:52 PM	#5
todd Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,791 Original Poster	Looking at the K-S2 pics on the review page, it looks pretty sturdy... Does it hit the shelves soon? I'd like people to abuse it for me a little bit for at least a few months before FF is released... Originally posted by Adam The FF will probably have a tilting screen based on the design that was shown. An articulating screen has its merits for videos and selfies, but we have yet to see one in an enthusiast level FF. Aha makes sense... The more I think about it, I could be happy either way... A straight up tilt could be really handy for being unobtrusive, kind of like TLR shooting...

02-13-2015, 07:58 PM	#6
Tanzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Perrineville, NJ Posts: 1,375	Originally posted by officiousbystander I prefer tilting. It's more unobtrusive. Potential subjects don't always see what you're doing. Unfolding an articulating screen to view it from different angles almost doubles the width of the camera. Totally agree with this comment. I really like the tilting screen on my MX-1, because I can leave it tilted up, even between shots. I hate the articulated screen on my camcorder because it is always poking out vulnerably to the side, and I get tired of constantly opening and closing it. I suppose if I took a lot of selfies I might have more use for an articulated screen.

02-13-2015, 08:02 PM	#7
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by todd but when someone voiced opinion in another thread that it would be vulnerable to breaking, it got me second guessing my enthusiasm for this feature... Another said it would probably be like the tilting 645Z (just tilts straight up, right? How far?) which I would assume is plenty sturdy if it's on the Z, but the next thought for me is that tilting is also quite a bit less handy than full articulation.... You are thinking pretty straight. Full articulation is mostly useful for triggering the shutter for selfies or working at right angles to the camera. Tilt is useful for high/low angle work. Both involve some compromise in terms of ruggedness and moisture sealing. The functionality of both can be accomplished with a field monitor. Steve P.S. I have had an articulating screen fail...

02-13-2015, 10:08 PM	#8
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by stevebrot You are thinking pretty straight. Full articulation is mostly useful for triggering the shutter for selfies or working at right angles to the camera. Tilt is useful for high/low angle work. Both involve some compromise in terms of ruggedness and moisture sealing. The functionality of both can be accomplished with a field monitor. Steve P.S. I have had an articulating screen fail... True, but that's an additional cost, more power (batteries), cables and open port covers and frankly really inconvenient (I have a Lilliput). Besides, if there's no HDMI out during recording (playback only) then it's not an option at all. Fine for tripod work or in a rig, but that's a whole different story.

02-13-2015, 10:16 PM	#9
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	I prefer tilting, like the 645Z screen, and the screens of the NEX cameras I've used (NEX-5, NEX-F3). Unless you can have both articulating AND tilt (against the camera body). Which doesn't seem possible with the K-S2, or any articulating screen camera that I've seen.

02-13-2015, 10:20 PM	#10
todd Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,791 Original Poster	Originally posted by stevebrot selfies But think of the potential for fake selfies... Pretending to take selfies while scanning the scene behind...

02-14-2015, 01:11 AM	#11
rrstuff Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pasadena, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,126	Originally posted by todd But think of the potential for fake selfies... Pretending to take selfies while scanning the scene behind... Good one. Or articulate it to the side, just a little bit, facing inwards. Someone is thinking you are just busy rubbing off some dirt from the side of your camera, and then snap, pictured. lol

02-14-2015, 02:34 AM	#12
Gray Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Cape Town Photos: Gallery Posts: 536	I had a fully articulated screen on my Canon G11 and loved it. Very, very useful for near ground and above head work. My Sony RX100II has a tilt screen, which is an ok substitute. I would much prefer a fully articulated screen like the new K-S2 on the new FF.

02-14-2015, 04:36 AM - 1 Like	#13
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by rawr I prefer tilting, like the 645Z screen, and the screens of the NEX cameras I've used (NEX-5, NEX-F3). Unless you can have both articulating AND tilt (against the camera body). Which doesn't seem possible with the K-S2, or any articulating screen camera that I've seen. The top of the line Sony SLT cameras has a screens that both tilts and articulates. They have a tilt mechanism at the top of the screen and swivel at the botton. This makes a very flexible soultion, but it might be difficult to design for DSLR as it require more space. Which might make the OVF difficult to use.

02-16-2015, 11:47 AM	#15
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by todd But think of the potential for fake selfies... Pretending to take selfies while scanning the scene behind... You mean like the kind taken by fake street photographers and dirty old men at the beach Steve