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View Poll Results: How much would you pay for an FF body?
Less than 1800 8234.75%
1800-2399 9339.41%
2400-2999 5222.03%
3000-3499 72.97%
3500-4499 10.42%
4500 or more 10.42%
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03-06-2015, 10:24 AM - 1 Like   #16
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Tell me right now precisely what the features and specifications are for the K-2 (including the 'surprise or two' mentioned in interviews) and I'll give you an accurate projection of what I am willing to pay.

That being said, when released I believe the camera will offer 95% of the spec's of its Nikon competitor + a unique feature or two + the Pentax signature ethos (WR, IBIS, ergonomics, size) @ 90% of the then-current MAP of the Nikon competitor.

$2,700, and it will stay there a lot longer than people expect. Early adopters will win this time.

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QuoteOriginally posted by JimC1101 Quote
I wonder if it will have the Ricoh name on the back? Seems like they don't add it to the S1 and S2, maybe they realize that Pentax is more marketable than Ricoh when it comes to cameras and they will leave it out from now on.
From the recent interview at CP+ I concluded that the K3 was a collaboration between Ricoh and Pentax, both bringing something to the table (RGB metering is one example). The FF is a flagship product, I would expect a similar branding strategy like the K3 to take place.
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Well, it's not exactly a collaboration, as much as Ricoh Imaging benefiting from the research done elsewhere in the Ricoh Group. I'm not sure about the K-3, but the Theta and the K-S2's Clarity Enhancement are from the Ricoh Group.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Stavri Quote
From the recent interview at CP+ I concluded that the K3 was a collaboration between Ricoh and Pentax, both bringing something to the table (RGB metering is one example). The FF is a flagship product, I would expect a similar branding strategy like the K3 to take place.


Then I guess it would be time to get the black sharpie again.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Well, it's not exactly a collaboration, as much as Ricoh Imaging benefiting from the research done elsewhere in the Ricoh Group. I'm not sure about the K-3, but the Theta and the K-S2's Clarity Enhancement are from the Ricoh Group.
The new 86k-pixel RGB metering sensor of the K3 I believe was a Ricoh technology implemented in their GR cameras, they might have been other tech that made it through I'm not sure.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Stavri Quote
The 86k-pixel RGB metering sensor found in the GR was implemented into the K3, they might have been other tech that made it through I'm not sure.


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So you're talking about Ricoh's ex camera division working together with ex-Pentax Imaging Systems. Since the goal was to integrate them all along, including technologies from both was a given.
I ceased seeing those as separate entities, it's all Ricoh Imaging now. I was talking about Ricoh Imaging being able to benefit from technologies from the Ricoh Group, but I see now it wasn't about that.
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I'm so pleased using all my old SMC-M lenses on the A7 I wouldn't pay more than another A7 body, if I decided I need another body for my lenses. The A7 is my digital LX, which is what I wanted Pentax to make.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Stavri Quote
From the recent interview at CP+ I concluded that the K3 was a collaboration between Ricoh and Pentax, both bringing something to the table (RGB metering is one example). The FF is a flagship product, I would expect a similar branding strategy like the K3 to take place.
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Then I guess it would be time to get the black sharpie again.
Will we have a 'Why I won't buy a K-2' thread?

Was the death of the K-3 thread a signal like the rapid price declines on the K-3?

Wilt there be a system of "Why I won't buy a "..." threads, with a declining numbering sequence?



/ irony, just to be clear.
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Let's see, What has Ricoh ever done for Pentax? They've pumped in more resources and committed to making them relevant at trade shows again; they began seriously addressing holes in the lens lineup; they brought us several new APS-C, MF, and micro-sensor bodies; they brought us WR flashes; they developed new and interesting tech like the AA filter simulator; and they are finally bringing us the full frame body that Pentax Corp and Hoya both failed to deliver.

Yet having their name on the back of the camera is somehow shameful.

QuoteOriginally posted by JimC1101 Quote
Then I guess it would be time to get the black sharpie again.


---------- Post added 03-06-15 at 02:22 PM ----------

Exactly.

Pentax IS Ricoh. Pentax as an independent entity no longer exists. It's fully integrated into the Ricoh corporation.

Sure, there is still Asahi/Pentax/Hoya DNA in today's Pentax products, but there's no meaningful separation between the Ricoh employees working on the "Pentax" line and the rest of Ricoh Imaging. They are all Ricoh engineers, Ricoh managers, and Ricoh marketers. No one is claiming that Sony's camera division is still Konica Minolta, even though some of their cameras still use the A mount. The only difference here is that Ricoh management sees the Pentax marque as stronger than their own in certain segments of the consumer electronics space. That wasn't true of Minolta vis a vis Sony, so they didn't pursue the license for the name when they bought KM's camera division.

QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Well, it's not exactly a collaboration, as much as Ricoh Imaging benefiting from the research done elsewhere in the Ricoh Group. I'm not sure about the K-3, but the Theta and the K-S2's Clarity Enhancement are from the Ricoh Group.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
$2,700, and it will stay there a lot longer than people expect. Early adopters will win this time.
I'd guess $2700-$3000, but I'd agree that the FF would have a longer cycle time than APS-C. $600 bodies are pretty much disposable, but $6000 bodies certainly are not.

I think the KS-1,2,x,x,x cameras will be really short cycle as they feel out features and technology combos (and ..ahem... colors). They've corrected themselves in a couple of interviews when they started to say 'experimental' and I think what they meant was feature experimentation to attract users, not testing the underlying technology/implementation.

The K-3 / flagship APS-C bodies would then have a longer lifecycle (about 16 months? I'm not sure how to account for the 'ii' and 's' type models), and MF would be somewhere in the 6 year zone.

So maybe FF bodies would be 3 years? 2.5? Or align with the same 2 year major camera show cycles?

I have no idea where the Q mount bodies sit in this... like APS-C I guess.

If this were all overlaid on a calendar I bet there could be some obvious patterning that would prevent release collisions from happening that often.
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To precisely put it... It depends on spec and feature it comes with...
I'm willing to pay for
$1800~2399 for entry / enthusiast FF (if such things come to exist...)
$2400 or more (my budget would be 3000ish) for Advanced / Flagship Professional FF

I don't expect Flagship feature on budget price for first generation Pentax FF DSLR, so I voted for 2400~2999.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote

Wilt there be a system of "Why I won't buy a "..." threads, with a declining numbering sequence?



/ irony, just to be clear.
Those threads probably deserve their own subforum. After all, FF had its own subforum for several years before the product was even announced.



/joke, just to be clear.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dcshooter Quote
Let's see, What has Ricoh ever done for Pentax?
Apart from making possible the K-3, 645z, the new D FA lenses, sanitation, medicine, education, wine...
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I'm really not in the market for it but I picked option B although I could see it going slightly higher. Given than Pentax is looking to grab market share in what is already a smaller market I would hope they would price themselves very competitively against the competition (like they do already with their other DSLR's).
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