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View Poll Results: How much would you pay for an FF body?
Less than 1800 8234.75%
1800-2399 9339.41%
2400-2999 5222.03%
3000-3499 72.97%
3500-4499 10.42%
4500 or more 10.42%
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03-06-2015, 06:07 PM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Apart from making possible the K-3, 645z, the new D FA lenses, sanitation, medicine, education, wine...
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Since I only use cameras for pleasure I choose A. A ff will not give me more pleasure then my k-3. Unless it makes coffee in the morning of course.
I like portable since I walk a few miles when I shoot.

Now if it was light, under $1000 and auto focus was above and beyond the k-3, I might consider it.

Just a tool Guys. There are plenty of ff canikons in my photo club that could not take an outstanding pic to save there life.
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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
Love a good Python reference! :-)
You sound like a member of the Pentaxian Popular People's Front.

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You sound like a member of the Pentaxian Popular People's Front.
I wouldn't spit on them, DCshooter.

Naturally I'm a member of the People's Popular Pentaxian Front.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Stargeezer Quote
I like portable since I walk a few miles when I shoot
As Stargeezer states it, weight and size may be a concern for traveling, backpacking, hiking. That why I never bought a 5Dx or D8xx, too big, too heavy. Considering the A7, but the choice of lenses are limited. So, the D610/D750 are the only contenders for backpacking IMHO. I'd like a FF in a K-3 body with a bit more battery life and light weight, for less than $1800. In other words, I want the better IQ but not at the expense of having a monster camera.
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I wouldn't spit on them, DCshooter.

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I'm going to stop beating my head against a wall trying to convince people of the business logic of how impossible it is to release the camera as everyone is hoping it to be spec'd out as a professional grade FF in the same price range as an entry level D610.
If you guys were saying, 24mp, 1/4000" shutter, SR...etc etc I could believe $2000. But for a 36mp sensor with the internal parts required to handle it.... it wont be under $2500. Probably not even under $2700.
if Nikon and Canon had the resources to price the D810/5DMKIII at $2200 in the hopes of more market share...don't you think they would?
I voted for $3000 - $3499. (I assume they were in dollars?) But that is because the choices were too limited.

What I really meant was "up to 2300". In other words, a typical UK price for a D810, which I hope it will be comparable to.
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If you average things based on the poll so far, with the low one set 300 under, and the high one set 300 over, and the rest in the middle of their ranges it looks like people would on average be willing to pay 2138 dollars for FF based on the specs I said in the first post, body only.
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QuoteOriginally posted by VoiceOfReason Quote
If you average things based on the poll so far, with the low one set 300 under, and the high one set 300 over, and the rest in the middle of their ranges it looks like people would on average be willing to pay 2138 dollars for FF based on the specs I said in the first post, body only.
Your spec in the first post said "the 36mp Sony sensor with improved DR, noise, and ISO range, selectable AA filter like the K3, dual card slots, crop mode enabled, ~7fps, WR, and the features we have on the K3". [My emphasis].

Here are some numbers I have just posted elsewhere, based on what other cameras, from Canon, Nikon, and Sony, can apparently do: (FPS * MP = MP/sec), in descending order of data rate:

A77: 12 * 24 = 288
5DS: 5 * 51 = 255
1Dx: 14 * 18 = 252
A65: 10 * 24 = 240
K-3: 8.3 * 24 = 199
D810: 5 * 36 = 180
D4s: 11 * 16 = 176
D610: 6 * 24 = 144

7 FPS for a mirror-FF camera with full 36 MP sensor data would be way beyond the Nikon D810 or the Canon 5DS. There is no possibility whatsoever that such a camera will be launched by Ricoh at the prices you mention!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Barry Pearson Quote
Your spec in the first post said "the 36mp Sony sensor with improved DR, noise, and ISO range, selectable AA filter like the K3, dual card slots, crop mode enabled, ~7fps, WR, and the features we have on the K3". [My emphasis].

Here are some numbers I have just posted elsewhere, based on what other cameras, from Canon, Nikon, and Sony, can apparently do: (FPS * MP = MP/sec), in descending order of data rate:

A77: 12 * 24 = 288
5DS: 5 * 51 = 255
1Dx: 14 * 18 = 252
A65: 10 * 24 = 240
K-3: 8.3 * 24 = 199
D810: 5 * 36 = 180
D4s: 11 * 16 = 176
D610: 6 * 24 = 144

7 FPS for a mirror-FF camera with full 36 MP sensor data would be way beyond the Nikon D810 or the Canon 5DS. There is no possibility whatsoever that such a camera will be launched by Ricoh at the prices you mention!
And Ricoh can't compete with the big two at the same price the big two are at. Not going to happen. Now way, no how, never going to happen with their current pro support structure in place, warranty support in place, aftermarket support in place, B&M store presence, or advertising presence. Also, that FPS thing is kinda meaningless. Where does the 645z show up on it? Exactly.

If it is launched at 3k I will not be buying one at all. Many others here will not be buying one at all. Ricoh will lose a large chunk of those who already use Pentax cameras, and it is doubtful they will pick those up from Canon and Nikon users.

To me I could care less about how many shots I can take in a second, and in reality I bet most people don't do loads of burst shots. Scenery and landscape pictures are my favorites, and I also do some architecture, animals, and people at anime conventions.

It is a simple economics thing. A camera body is an elastic commodity, not an inelastic one. An inelastic commodity is one which you have to buy regardless of the price (food, gasoline, electricity for your home, etc) and an inelastic commodity is one that you will buy, but only if the price is right, and if the price is too high then you may say, "Hey, that's nice, but I don't see myself spending that much on it."

Do you remember the K-01? It was released at a high price and no one bought it, even though it had the same sensor the K5 had and it had focus peaking for those manual lenses. How about that K-S1? Yeah, released at a high price recently and now I've seen a body for around 350 dollars. It had some nice features, but no one wanted it at the original asking price.

Everyone says, "Don't buy bodies, buy glass" and I can see that. If the new 150-450 would have went to 600mm I'd have preordered it. Ohh well, I can see I will not change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. I'll let my wallet talk for me, and pick one up when it settles to the price I will pay. After all it is an elastic commodity!
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The result of the poll doesn't surprise me at all, people want the bargains AT ANY COST. They don't care about R&D costs, labor, manufacturing all they want is a great deal. This thread proves my point. They don't want to hear Ricoh's marketing manager Mr. Saiki remarks, that they had to wait for the FF project to progress, because the cost of bringing such a camera sooner would have necessitated pricing it closer to the MF price range.

I bet my lens collection that If there was an option on this poll of buying the FF for $599 knowing that it was built in windowless factories by young children working around the clock (and a picture of these child laborers included in each box) that option would be the winner by miles.

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The problem for me is, to pay the $2500 I'd pay, assumes I'd have $2500. By the time I actually have that much money put away it'll be a lot less. And my guess is that if that 150-450 is fast focusing and sharp, I'll buy that before I buy the KF-3.
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I do have enough that I could buy a 645z right now with a lens, but it would be irresponsible as hell for me to do it, and I am not good enough to do it justice. All it would be is bragging rights for me, and that is it. I could buy a D810 and kit lens, but I can't see spending that much for what is simply a hobby. I don't sell pics, and I'm not all that good with them, though I post some of them on Deviant Art. I have made a little money, doing some shoots, but I can not justify 3k for a body that will be worth half that if I am lucky in a couple years time. Lenses, I can see because a good one holds value like mad.
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