Can't wait much longer for the FF

ClinchShots · 03-07-2015, 12:58 PM

someone convince me to stay because this $4,000 is burning a hole in my soul

I need a full frame for my wedding / portrait bookings as the little improvement over the K3 does make a difference to me

I have 2 weddings this month and two next month and I might leave this system

wtf do I do?

Sliver-Surfer · 03-07-2015, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by ClinchShots

someone convince me to stay because this $4,000 is burning a hole in my soul

I need a full frame for my wedding / portrait bookings as the little improvement over the K3 does make a difference to me

I have 2 weddings this month and two next month and I might leave this system

wtf do I do?

Buy a used Sony A7 and a pentax adapter then sell it when Pentax FF hits stores for the near same as you bought it for.

Adam · 03-07-2015, 01:06 PM

Current reports suggest that the FF will be announced during the fall.

flaviopetrone · 03-07-2015, 01:08 PM

I don't think that you need someone which convinces you.
If the "improvements" are worth the cost, the effort to sell everything and to buy everything again, to learn another system which will have some pros but will have for sure some missing things that you are used to use and that you will miss, do it. If not, you already own the system to use while full frame is not yet released.

I may be the target of a lot of insults for what I am going to say, but I don't know why to assume that the next camera that will be released, without knowing anything about it, MUST BE better than the k3.

Sliver-Surfer · 03-07-2015, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by flaviopetrone

I don't think that you need someone which convinces you.
If the "improvements" are worth the cost, the effort to sell everything and to buy everything again, to learn another system which will have some pros but will have for sure some missing things that you are used to use and that you will miss, do it. If not, you already own the system to use while full frame is not yet released.

I may be the target of a lot of insults for what I am going to say, but I don't know why to assume that the next camera that will be released, without knowing anything about it, MUST BE better than the k3.

You can bet it will be the best Pentax for portrait and wedding photography. The DFA 70-200mm is the go to portrait zoom focal range

flaviopetrone · 03-07-2015, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Sliver-Surfer

You can bet it will be the best Pentax for portrait and wedding photography.

I can imagine, but this is exactly what I am talking about : we are considering a product that still doesn't exist.

Sliver-Surfer · 03-07-2015, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by flaviopetrone

I can imagine, but this is exactly what I am talking about : we are considering a product that still doesn't exist.

Correct you are.

biz-engineer · 03-07-2015, 01:25 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ClinchShots

wtf do I do?

It's easy, you rent a FF+lens (or a 645Z kit) for you weddings.

**RobA_Oz** · 03-07-2015, 01:29 PM

If a piece of equipment might be needed for a business, then a properly-constructed business case will confirm or deny that. On the other hand, if this is a hobby, even one that pays occasionally, you get to determine how you spend your disposable income.

Looking at many years of wedding photographs, I can't for the life of me see how moving between smaller formats like FT, APS-C and 35FF is significant, unless you mix in the effects of some specialist and highly expensive lenses. Again, if they're really justified, you can make a clear business case to back that up. I can see a difference that a 6x6 or 6x7 film format makes to the image, and some high-priced wedding professionals still use those, but that's not what we're talking about here.

To take up the line that Flaviopetrone has stated, for this application, a broader question might be what makes any 35FF camera better than a K-3, for a particular user? The answer will, of course, be different for each one.

normhead · 03-07-2015, 01:37 PM

If he bails now, after so many have waited so long... he'll be Pentaxgoat, not Pentaxhero.

biz-engineer · 03-07-2015, 01:48 PM

If I understood well, ClinchShots needs a FF camera for 4 weddings (=4 days) but Pentax does not currently have a FF.
It's easy, he can rent a D810+70-200, it'll do the job and it's be cheaper than to own the camera.

SpecialK · 03-07-2015, 01:58 PM - **3 Likes**

Or, pretend FF does NOT make a big difference - perhaps even less so to the clients - and that everything will be OK.

FantasticMrFox · 03-07-2015, 02:12 PM

If you've shot weddings in the past with the K3 and your customers were satisfied, then there is no objective reason why you can't continue to shoot weddings for another 1/2 to 3/4 year with the same equipment or rent a FF for a couple of occasions.

If you want to change systems for other reasons, by all means do it.

Sandy Hancock · 03-07-2015, 02:19 PM

You have three choices.

Stick with the system you have used successfully up 'til now.

Rent a FF system for the weddings. If your work is good and you charge what you're worth, you'll be way in front.

Change systems.

Your call.

biz-engineer · 03-07-2015, 02:33 PM

That's a tough decision. For the time being , there is no competitor FF frame camera that is like a Pentax FF camera , and the Pentax FF is not available yet. We can only imagine it. The A7 has no lenses, the 5DIII is big heavy has a canon sensor with banding lots of noise at high isos, the D600 and D610 have oil drops on their sensors, the D750 has light leakage and the D810 weights like a truck.

03-07-2015, 12:58 PM	#1
ClinchShots Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 437	Can't wait much longer for the FF someone convince me to stay because this $4,000 is burning a hole in my soul I need a full frame for my wedding / portrait bookings as the little improvement over the K3 does make a difference to me I have 2 weddings this month and two next month and I might leave this system wtf do I do?

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03-07-2015, 01:14 PM	#5
Sliver-Surfer Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,558	Originally posted by flaviopetrone I don't think that you need someone which convinces you. If the "improvements" are worth the cost, the effort to sell everything and to buy everything again, to learn another system which will have some pros but will have for sure some missing things that you are used to use and that you will miss, do it. If not, you already own the system to use while full frame is not yet released. I may be the target of a lot of insults for what I am going to say, but I don't know why to assume that the next camera that will be released, without knowing anything about it, MUST BE better than the k3. You can bet it will be the best Pentax for portrait and wedding photography. The DFA 70-200mm is the go to portrait zoom focal range Last edited by Sliver-Surfer; 03-07-2015 at 01:19 PM.

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SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,480	Or, pretend FF does NOT make a big difference - perhaps even less so to the clients - and that everything will be OK. Last edited by SpecialK; 03-07-2015 at 02:20 PM.

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03-07-2015, 01:04 PM	#2
Sliver-Surfer Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,558	Originally posted by ClinchShots someone convince me to stay because this $4,000 is burning a hole in my soul I need a full frame for my wedding / portrait bookings as the little improvement over the K3 does make a difference to me I have 2 weddings this month and two next month and I might leave this system wtf do I do? Buy a used Sony A7 and a pentax adapter then sell it when Pentax FF hits stores for the near same as you bought it for.

03-07-2015, 01:08 PM	#4
flaviopetrone Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Reggio Emilia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,153	I don't think that you need someone which convinces you. If the "improvements" are worth the cost, the effort to sell everything and to buy everything again, to learn another system which will have some pros but will have for sure some missing things that you are used to use and that you will miss, do it. If not, you already own the system to use while full frame is not yet released. I may be the target of a lot of insults for what I am going to say, but I don't know why to assume that the next camera that will be released, without knowing anything about it, MUST BE better than the k3.

03-07-2015, 01:19 PM	#6
flaviopetrone Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Reggio Emilia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,153	Originally posted by Sliver-Surfer You can bet it will be the best Pentax for portrait and wedding photography. I can imagine, but this is exactly what I am talking about : we are considering a product that still doesn't exist.

03-07-2015, 01:22 PM	#7
Sliver-Surfer Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,558	Originally posted by flaviopetrone I can imagine, but this is exactly what I am talking about : we are considering a product that still doesn't exist. Correct you are.

03-07-2015, 01:25 PM - 1 Like	#8
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by ClinchShots wtf do I do? It's easy, you rent a FF+lens (or a 645Z kit) for you weddings.

03-07-2015, 01:29 PM	#9
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	If a piece of equipment might be needed for a business, then a properly-constructed business case will confirm or deny that. On the other hand, if this is a hobby, even one that pays occasionally, you get to determine how you spend your disposable income. Looking at many years of wedding photographs, I can't for the life of me see how moving between smaller formats like FT, APS-C and 35FF is significant, unless you mix in the effects of some specialist and highly expensive lenses. Again, if they're really justified, you can make a clear business case to back that up. I can see a difference that a 6x6 or 6x7 film format makes to the image, and some high-priced wedding professionals still use those, but that's not what we're talking about here. To take up the line that Flaviopetrone has stated, for this application, a broader question might be what makes any 35FF camera better than a K-3, for a particular user? The answer will, of course, be different for each one.

03-07-2015, 01:37 PM	#10
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	If he bails now, after so many have waited so long... he'll be Pentaxgoat, not Pentaxhero.

03-07-2015, 01:48 PM	#11
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	If I understood well, ClinchShots needs a FF camera for 4 weddings (=4 days) but Pentax does not currently have a FF. It's easy, he can rent a D810+70-200, it'll do the job and it's be cheaper than to own the camera.

03-07-2015, 02:12 PM	#13
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	If you've shot weddings in the past with the K3 and your customers were satisfied, then there is no objective reason why you can't continue to shoot weddings for another 1/2 to 3/4 year with the same equipment or rent a FF for a couple of occasions. If you want to change systems for other reasons, by all means do it.

03-07-2015, 02:19 PM	#14
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	You have three choices. Stick with the system you have used successfully up 'til now. Rent a FF system for the weddings. If your work is good and you charge what you're worth, you'll be way in front. Change systems. Your call.

03-07-2015, 02:33 PM	#15
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	That's a tough decision. For the time being , there is no competitor FF frame camera that is like a Pentax FF camera , and the Pentax FF is not available yet. We can only imagine it. The A7 has no lenses, the 5DIII is big heavy has a canon sensor with banding lots of noise at high isos, the D600 and D610 have oil drops on their sensors, the D750 has light leakage and the D810 weights like a truck.