Originally posted by Ian Stuart Forsyth The way I see it the additional cropping that one could get with the K3 over a FF 36mp camera for wildlife photography is very meniscal but the trade off when going FF for wildlife photography out weights that loss
Most of the individuals I shoot with in the past had shot with cropped sensor for wildlife but after 2012 I was the last to move over to FF in the group.
In 2012 the best cropped APS-c was 16 MP, and the crop area of a D800 equalled it. SO it made sense. It doesn't make sense right now.
Quote: I see it the additional cropping that one could get with the K3 over a FF 36mp camera for wildlife photography is very meniscal
Two things about that....
One calling some advantage one camera has over another minimal, is a value judgement. Applicable only to you. Others may have different values, so it may or may not be relevant to others.
Where I shoot, I see about half and half, and I meet a lot of wildlife shooters up here in the park. So sample size? I'm basing my numbers on approximately 40 photographers. I'm talking about guys using multi-lens systems with long lenses.
Theres approx. about a 20% resolution increase in the crop area APS-c over 36 MP FF. More than double if you're talking the crop area 24 MP FF. SO say on average a 33% increase, just to pick a number.
The increase in resolution for landscape for 36 MP FF over 24 MP APS-c is roughly 30-33%. We've already established that if you shoot for the same DoF, noise low light performance are pretty much identical.
Why is the 23% increase for one "minimal" and the 33% better for the other "important". You're really splitting hairs on this judgement.
I hope you're starting to get a handle on how seriously ridiculous it is to make value judgements based on those kinds of numbers. IN photography we typically go in stops...double or half. Neither of those numbers even approaches that kind of threshold.
If one system costs a lot more than the other and the one that gives you the advantage in the area you shoot is the cheapest... why would you go with the more expensive version. Some people would because they want to impress those people who are impressed by expensive things. Some people get sold a bill of good by salesmen or on-line BS. The only place where the numbers approach the "Double/half" threshold, is 24 MP APS-c being double the resolution of 24 MP FF in crop mode. So unless, you're wildlife shooting buddies are shooting 36 MP D810s, they been sold a bill of goods in terms of resolution, and they've given up frame rate to get it, compared to a K-3.
But, pictures are more than resolution. I find it easier to just look at the FF guys, and assume they have their reasons for liking what they like, and they seem to assume I have my reasons for like what I like. And I look at folks like you going on and on about their Full Frames as sort of living in an alternate universe. After all, cameras are not just resolution... a person can find all kinds of features on a camera that may have them using it. You maybe need to learn to live and let live here. Most of the time people are not talking FF ro APS-c technically. There was a lot more than that that went into their decision. So I'm not even sure what your shooting buddy's choices mean, if you go with the crowd, you live and die with the crowd. Crowds don't always make the best decisions.
I'm always happy when someone finds a camera that make's them happy, no matter what it is. It has to be FF ro APS-c or whatever? Please, spare me. The BS I've heard made up about why FF is better is just beyond belief. Stick to the facts. And not facts like "all my friends shoot FF." We aren teenage girls here, or are we?
What I see when I read these guys going on and on about FF as if it's the be all and end all, are little kids in short pants telling you all about their new toys, or the toy they are hoping they get for Christmas. Only now they're grown up, and still reciting the fantasies that go with their new toys. APS_c micro 4/3. FF or MF, EVF OVF... its a camera folks. It doesn't affect 99% of your life. It's no big deal.