Originally posted by Rondec The funny thing is that people who are the strongest vocalizers of equivalence are those who are also the strongest proponents of a full frame camera.
I don't know whether this correlation actually exists.
It does make sense for people understanding equivalence and with a desire to make high-quality images to lean towards a full-frame camera. However, that does not imply that everyone who understands equivalence fails to see the motivation for the existence of smaller format systems.
It may be likely, though, that people understanding equivalence won't say things like "
APS-C is the best sweet-spot format available". The difference in portability between an FF camera and the Q is huge. The difference between a K-3 and the future Pentax FF will not be large.
Originally posted by Rondec can't imagine Class A ever purchasing a Q because of how slow equivalent apertures all of the lenses have.
Although I like the build quality of the first Q and respect its design and engineering, I indeed would not consider it as a second camera system for me. The lack of DOF control is one aspect and the other is how taxing the Q sensor is on lenses that were never designed to be adapted on a Q. A corresponding FF camera would have to have 389 MP in order to provide the same magnification effect. Even great, classic lenses from the past are not up to this kind of magnification of lens aberrations.
This is not to say that one cannot take great photos with a Q. One absolutely can. Just like one can take great photos with one's phone. There is no denying, however, that the Q limits the kinds of photos one can take -- and this goes beyond not allowing "shallow DOF' with reasonable subject distances. If the photographer does not care about the kinds of photographs that cannot be taken with a Q then all is good.
Originally posted by Rondec I think people who buy smaller sensor cameras understand that they are losing high iso ability by choosing a smaller sensor, but maybe they don't care.
Surely there are those people.
However, the source of many a equivalence debate are people who claim that they cracked the portable telephoto challenge and macro photography DOF challenges by choosing a tiny sensor system.
I never joined any thread just to bring someone down who is happy about the Q (or similar). I don't recall falconeye, jsherman999 or other equivalence experts do so either. It really seems that
the debate typically starts with a false claim that someone intends to correct as a service to the community. This should not be misconstrued as "
pushing FF everywhere".
Originally posted by Rondec Maybe the goal of photography is the creation of images that meet a person's vision.
Why the "
Maybe"?
Perhaps the "
Maybe" is justified because sometimes people just want to snap away to record something, or similar, without a vision in mind?
In any event, great photography does not depend on great gear. Gear is certainly secondary. That does not imply, however, that
- Every photo can be taken with any piece of gear. Some gear enables certain photos that cannot be taken with inferior gear.
- Gear discussions should never take place, even on a gear forum. If you keep the photographer constant, better gear has the chance to improve their photography.
- All gear-related statements are fair go, whether they are nonsense or not. If someone says something that is technically incorrect, it should not be excused by pointing out that "the photographer's vision" is much more important.
Originally posted by Rondec If that vision is all about narrow depth of field, full frame may be the only way to go, but there are many other types of photography out there and I find that narrow depth of field is often not my friend.
The characterisation of FF as a tool for, and only for "narrow DOF", is wrong. There are
many more good reasons for an FF system.