So what would turn you off from buying the new Pentax FF

dakight · 09-05-2015, 07:10 AM

It's really not a question of what would put me off; it's more a question of what could possibly entice me. I am very happy with aps-c and for my needs I can't see the benefit in FF. If it were to come it at a price point near the K-3 or maybe a small premium it would be more tempting but it probably would still not be on the shopping list. I don't use half the capability in my K-5IIs and not much more of the K-50 so I just don't see the point.

bass3587 · 09-05-2015, 07:14 AM - **3 Likes**

Tethering and better AF. I have no doubt being a Pentax the IQ will be excellent but I want it to be able to compete with the Canikons FF. Tethering is only available for the medium format and it needs to be for APSC and FF.

aleonx3 · 09-05-2015, 07:16 AM

The biggest turn off for me from buying new Pentax FF would be a similarly bulky camera as the Canikon competitors like 5D, D8xx or D7xx. I don't expect the AF to be top notch compare to its competitors since I don't need to have fastest AF for my type of photos; but I hope the AF fine adjustment feature gets better with bigger range (>+-10) in the new model. I also hope that integrity of the camera ergonomics remains like the k-3. Price will only determine when I would buy it.... if it is too expensive at the beginning, then I wait for the price to drop.

**monochrome** · 09-05-2015, 07:33 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Sofaking

. . . . But I doubt that would be the case. I think the marketing department would have final say over the engineering department.

But it won't

Originally posted by Sofaking

Which is why we have historical precedence for snafus - K01, Q system, K-S1, Theta. All hemorrhaging

Really? Ricoh is bleeding out from . . . . Theta?

Originally posted by Sofaking

precious funds..

Only the K-OneRing is Precious.

**boriscleto** · 09-05-2015, 07:38 AM

No Ricoh on the back.

**monochrome** · 09-05-2015, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

No Ricoh on the back.

And so it begins . . . .

mohb · 09-05-2015, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by dakight

It's really not a question of what would put me off; it's more a question of what could possibly entice me.

For three times the price of an excellent APSC camera it would need more than better AF or higher ISO or any of the other gimmicks that seem to be wanted by the 'upgraders'

**UncleVanya** · 09-05-2015, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by bass3587

Tethering and better AF. I have no doubt being a Pentax the IQ will be excellent but I want it to be able to compete with the Canikons FF. Tethering is only available for the medium format and it needs to be for APSC and FF.

This would keep you away? That's the question.

---------- Post added 09-05-15 at 10:59 AM ----------

Originally posted by boriscleto

No Ricoh on the back.

So you'd like it to say Ricoh? The question is what would keep you away.

DeadJohn · 09-05-2015, 08:04 AM

What would turn me off? Not enough of an upgrade over my K-5 to justify the cost.

I want higher resolution, more DR, and better high ISO performance. The amount I'm willing to pay depends on how much of each of those I get.

**ramseybuckeye** · 09-05-2015, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by dakight

It's really not a question of what would put me off; it's more a question of what could possibly entice me.

That really nails it, that's what marketingh is all about.

Originally posted by bass3587

Tethering and better AF. .

Tethering would be a nice enticement

Originally posted by monochrome

]Only the K-OneRing is Precious.

Priceless!

derekkite · 09-05-2015, 08:10 AM

I'm with digitalis. Price isn't a real issue, a tough metal body slightly larger than the k3 would be a plus.

AF. I don't expect it to be as good as Canon or Nikon, but it could be better than it is. I don't want any lags; I was shooting pttl continuous focus the other day and the k3 turned into a brick for a long time, enough to miss the shot. Never again. I get the impression that the data pipeline from the rgb sensor array used for metering and AF is very slow and shows up in situations like this.

And I want megapickles.

**boriscleto** · 09-05-2015, 08:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by UncleVanya

So you'd like it to say Ricoh? The question is what would keep you away.

There isn't nything that would tun me on to buying a FF, so there isn't anything that would turn me off either. Just stirring the pot

mcgregni · 09-05-2015, 08:48 AM

I don't really understand all the attention on af performance, at least not in relation to a move to FF specifically ...I mean, some are saying that af worse than the other FF competition might cause them to skip it or switch. But presumably the same people have ' inferior' Pentax AF at present on their aps-c bodies, and THAT hasn't caused a switch to a competing aps-c system ... ?

Jens Lyn IV · 09-05-2015, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Lev

I was always wondering what really makes FF so expensive? The sensor size? don't think so!

Please do think so.

Manufacturing cost is closely related to chip size; doubling the size of a chip more than doubles the cost of manufacture. APS-C sensors, at approximately 370 square mm, are already very large by semiconductor standards. A 35 mm sensor, at 864 square mm, is extremely large.

**K-Three** · 09-05-2015, 09:40 AM

The Pentax Holy Grail
Many seem to be expecting a golden, jewel encrusted, most fabulous object in the world,

Would be a pleasant surprise to me if it turns out to be a simple, workmanlike, functional still camera (remember those?)

I suspect people on both sides will be disappointed.

Although I find all the speculation very amusing,

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09-05-2015, 07:10 AM	#31
dakight Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Photos: Albums Posts: 1,216	It's really not a question of what would put me off; it's more a question of what could possibly entice me. I am very happy with aps-c and for my needs I can't see the benefit in FF. If it were to come it at a price point near the K-3 or maybe a small premium it would be more tempting but it probably would still not be on the shopping list. I don't use half the capability in my K-5IIs and not much more of the K-50 so I just don't see the point.

09-05-2015, 07:14 AM - 3 Likes	#32
bass3587 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 517	Tethering and better AF. I have no doubt being a Pentax the IQ will be excellent but I want it to be able to compete with the Canikons FF. Tethering is only available for the medium format and it needs to be for APSC and FF.

09-05-2015, 07:16 AM	#33
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	The biggest turn off for me from buying new Pentax FF would be a similarly bulky camera as the Canikon competitors like 5D, D8xx or D7xx. I don't expect the AF to be top notch compare to its competitors since I don't need to have fastest AF for my type of photos; but I hope the AF fine adjustment feature gets better with bigger range (>+-10) in the new model. I also hope that integrity of the camera ergonomics remains like the k-3. Price will only determine when I would buy it.... if it is too expensive at the beginning, then I wait for the price to drop.

09-05-2015, 07:33 AM - 1 Like	#34
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Sofaking . . . . But I doubt that would be the case. I think the marketing department would have final say over the engineering department. But it won't Originally posted by Sofaking Which is why we have historical precedence for snafus - K01, Q system, K-S1, Theta. All hemorrhaging Really? Ricoh is bleeding out from . . . . Theta? Originally posted by Sofaking precious funds.. Only the K-OneRing is Precious.

09-05-2015, 07:38 AM	#35
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473	No Ricoh on the back.

09-05-2015, 07:42 AM	#36
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by boriscleto No Ricoh on the back. And so it begins . . . .

09-05-2015, 07:48 AM	#37
mohb Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,912	Originally posted by dakight It's really not a question of what would put me off; it's more a question of what could possibly entice me. For three times the price of an excellent APSC camera it would need more than better AF or higher ISO or any of the other gimmicks that seem to be wanted by the 'upgraders'

09-05-2015, 07:58 AM	#38
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,381	Originally posted by bass3587 Tethering and better AF. I have no doubt being a Pentax the IQ will be excellent but I want it to be able to compete with the Canikons FF. Tethering is only available for the medium format and it needs to be for APSC and FF. This would keep you away? That's the question. ---------- Post added 09-05-15 at 10:59 AM ---------- Originally posted by boriscleto No Ricoh on the back. So you'd like it to say Ricoh? The question is what would keep you away.

09-05-2015, 08:04 AM	#39
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,833	What would turn me off? Not enough of an upgrade over my K-5 to justify the cost. I want higher resolution, more DR, and better high ISO performance. The amount I'm willing to pay depends on how much of each of those I get.

09-05-2015, 08:04 AM	#40
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,288	Originally posted by dakight It's really not a question of what would put me off; it's more a question of what could possibly entice me. That really nails it, that's what marketingh is all about. Originally posted by bass3587 Tethering and better AF. . Tethering would be a nice enticement Originally posted by monochrome ]Only the K-OneRing is Precious. Priceless!

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09-05-2015, 08:10 AM	#41
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	I'm with digitalis. Price isn't a real issue, a tough metal body slightly larger than the k3 would be a plus. AF. I don't expect it to be as good as Canon or Nikon, but it could be better than it is. I don't want any lags; I was shooting pttl continuous focus the other day and the k3 turned into a brick for a long time, enough to miss the shot. Never again. I get the impression that the data pipeline from the rgb sensor array used for metering and AF is very slow and shows up in situations like this. And I want megapickles.

09-05-2015, 08:30 AM - 1 Like	#42
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473	Originally posted by UncleVanya So you'd like it to say Ricoh? The question is what would keep you away. There isn't nything that would tun me on to buying a FF, so there isn't anything that would turn me off either. Just stirring the pot

09-05-2015, 08:48 AM	#43
mcgregni Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 2,603	I don't really understand all the attention on af performance, at least not in relation to a move to FF specifically ...I mean, some are saying that af worse than the other FF competition might cause them to skip it or switch. But presumably the same people have ' inferior' Pentax AF at present on their aps-c bodies, and THAT hasn't caused a switch to a competing aps-c system ... ?

09-05-2015, 08:52 AM	#44
Jens Lyn IV Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Ringsted, Denmark Photos: Albums Posts: 260	Originally posted by Lev I was always wondering what really makes FF so expensive? The sensor size? don't think so! Please do think so. Manufacturing cost is closely related to chip size; doubling the size of a chip more than doubles the cost of manufacture. APS-C sensors, at approximately 370 square mm, are already very large by semiconductor standards. A 35 mm sensor, at 864 square mm, is extremely large.

09-05-2015, 09:40 AM	#45
K-Three Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2014 Location: Pugetopolis, WA Photos: Gallery Posts: 937	The Pentax Holy Grail Many seem to be expecting a golden, jewel encrusted, most fabulous object in the world, Would be a pleasant surprise to me if it turns out to be a simple, workmanlike, functional still camera (remember those?) I suspect people on both sides will be disappointed. Although I find all the speculation very amusing,