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devouges · 09-05-2015, 07:05 PM

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Billk · 09-05-2015, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

What would turn me off? Not enough of an upgrade over my K-5 to justify the cost.

I want higher resolution, more DR, and better high ISO performance. The amount I'm willing to pay depends on how much of each of those I get.

These are the big 3 for me too. Combine those with great autofocusing and a good burst rate and I will happily forego other purchases in order to save up for whatever it will cost.

If it is not a great action camera, no problemo, I will use the K3 for birds, dance etc.

I don't mind if it is big and heavy either. If I want to travel light, I will pack my K7 or K3. The 645s are chunky but everyone who has them seems to love them.

wpvv · 09-06-2015, 03:20 AM

I like my K3. For me a larger viewfinder and / or a fully articulating lcd might seduce me...

**zplus** · 09-06-2015, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Mattox

If they do t come out with a fast and super accurate AF system for me I won't be buying. I find there AF to be terrible and if they don't do anything about it with the FF I may have to say goodbye

The K-3s AF is fantastic...

I won't buy it based on size. Like others have said, a D810 sized camera would be a no go for me.

jsherman999 · 09-06-2015, 09:19 AM - **1 Like**

If, at any time, it appears in more than two colors (black/silver) I'm out.

Kunzite · 09-06-2015, 09:21 AM

I have to say I would be disappointed if they would reuse the K-3's AF as it is, like Nikon did for the D600/D610 (using an APS-C AF). I wouldn't like to have the AF points clustered in the centre.
But, we'll see in about a month I guess.

**Kerrowdown** · 09-06-2015, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Mattox

So what would turn you off from buying the new Pentax FF

If they change the lens mount so my "Ladies" are no use.

clockworkrat · 09-06-2015, 11:45 AM

I have a great deal of trouble imagining a situation where Ricoh thinks crippling the K-mount would be a good idea.

Mattox · 09-06-2015, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by clockworkrat

I have a great deal of trouble imagining a situation where Ricoh thinks crippling the K-mount would be a good idea.

The is no way in the world that the K mount would be phased out. If they even thought about it they'd loose 50% of their Pentax customers over night. Half the fun of ff is using these old babies right. It's just so unfortunate that there doesn't exist a technology that permits you to use the DA lenses as though they were FF lenses without he cropping

clockworkrat · 09-06-2015, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Mattox

The is no way in the world that the K mount would be phased out. If they even thought about it they'd loose 50% of their Pentax customers over night. Half the fun of ff is using these old babies right. It's just so unfortunate that there doesn't exist a technology that permits you to use the DA lenses as though they were FF lenses without he cropping

Some of the DA lenses might be okay on FF, but even more of a killer for me is the lack of an aperture ring. Suppose it's harder to fit in alongside the weather sealing.

formercanuck · 09-06-2015, 01:27 PM

Cost + lenses.

My old DA 18-135mm won't cut it on an FF, I'd need to since some dough on FF lenses besides the old Sigma 28mm f/2.8, Pentax M-50, Rokinon 85mm f/1.4 and Pentax M-200 that I have.
Many of my shots are casual / 'walk about', I'd need to find a reasonably priced replacement for my 18-135 'and' still pay for the cost of an FF camera.

As far as the camera goes... 'IF' its reasonable when my k-30 dies, I'd consider it.

Chippedoff · 09-06-2015, 03:08 PM

Price is a factor but mount type might also be in play, still not sold on the FA mount on the released mockups. So Lenses and lens cost will also play in making the new FF unattractive.

Hidden serious bugs like the recent k-3II GPS woes.

No programmable buttons.

No built in flash. I can live without GPS but in a pinch a flash, even a built in one has more use even if i have a remote flash.

Wifi/BT isn't important to me as most DSLR wifi connectivity these days is spotty at best and insufferably slow and complicated for most people especially if your clients system isn't setup to inter-home message which is about 99% of setups. Most of the time i carry a combination USB/SD card reader and that's what i use, even at USB v1.0 it still better than wifi.

Bad battery life would be a deterrent even with a grip battery pack.

Slow or unstable write to card speeds: Buss/Buffer write speed to memory card is important but even my old k200d with a a UHS card saves quickly for a camera of that era.

**Digitalis** · 09-06-2015, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Chippedoff

mount type might also be in play, still not sold on the FA mount on the released mockups.

What mount would you prefer instead of the K mount? Sony E mount, Nikon F, Canon EF, M42?

Originally posted by zplus

I won't buy it based on size. Like others have said, a D810 sized camera would be a no go for me.

Because you're afraid it won't fit in you purse? The D810 is smaller than the D4s. And in any case Nikon have never been able to make a small SLR camera in the first place - that has always been Olympus and Pentax territory.

Chippedoff · 09-06-2015, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Digitalis

What mount would you prefer instead of the K mount? Sony E mount, Nikon F, Canon EF, M42?

The K mount. I believe i hinted at i was not entirely convinced that the FF mock ups with the K FA Pentax has released will be what we will be getting. I had the same experience with my Nikon d90 with the mock up having some sort of Frankenstein-ed mount.

I thought about your question and it would be nice to have less problems between Sigma and Pentax.

Maybe i am just being a little paranoid.

~On the contrary i always hope for the best, unfortunately experience has taught me to expect the worst.~ (Garik)

**RobA_Oz** · 09-06-2015, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Chippedoff

The K mount. I believe i hinted at i was not entirely convinced that the FF mock ups with the K FA Pentax has released will be what we will be getting. I had the same experience with my Nikon d90 with the mock up having some sort of Frankenstein-ed mount.

I thought about your question and it would be nice to have less problems between Sigma and Pentax.

Maybe i am just being a little paranoid.

~On the contrary i always hope for the best, unfortunately experience has taught me to expect the worst.~ (Garik)

I don't know what you mean by "less problems between Sigma and Pentax", but I would have thought the main problem was at the business end, getting the same level of treatment that other mounts get. At the product end, I've had several Sigmas, including the 105/2.8 macro and the 10-20/3.5, neither of which had any discernible K-mount problems, and still have the 8-16/4.5-5.6 (@Adam - incorrectly listed as a legacy lens, here, as an aside).

I'm sure an improved level of treatment will eventuate with the growth of the K-mount user base, and the anticipated level of uptake of the forthcoming 35FF body should assist that.

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09-05-2015, 07:05 PM	#61
devouges Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 324	Price

09-05-2015, 07:13 PM	#62
Billk Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Posts: 349	Originally posted by DeadJohn What would turn me off? Not enough of an upgrade over my K-5 to justify the cost. I want higher resolution, more DR, and better high ISO performance. The amount I'm willing to pay depends on how much of each of those I get. These are the big 3 for me too. Combine those with great autofocusing and a good burst rate and I will happily forego other purchases in order to save up for whatever it will cost. If it is not a great action camera, no problemo, I will use the K3 for birds, dance etc. I don't mind if it is big and heavy either. If I want to travel light, I will pack my K7 or K3. The 645s are chunky but everyone who has them seems to love them.

09-06-2015, 03:20 AM	#63
wpvv Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 251	I like my K3. For me a larger viewfinder and / or a fully articulating lcd might seduce me...

09-06-2015, 09:14 AM	#64
zplus Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 166	Originally posted by Mattox If they do t come out with a fast and super accurate AF system for me I won't be buying. I find there AF to be terrible and if they don't do anything about it with the FF I may have to say goodbye The K-3s AF is fantastic... I won't buy it based on size. Like others have said, a D810 sized camera would be a no go for me.

09-06-2015, 09:19 AM - 1 Like	#65
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	If, at any time, it appears in more than two colors (black/silver) I'm out.

09-06-2015, 09:21 AM	#66
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I have to say I would be disappointed if they would reuse the K-3's AF as it is, like Nikon did for the D600/D610 (using an APS-C AF). I wouldn't like to have the AF points clustered in the centre. But, we'll see in about a month I guess.

09-06-2015, 11:37 AM	#67
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,867	Originally posted by Mattox So what would turn you off from buying the new Pentax FF If they change the lens mount so my "Ladies" are no use.

09-06-2015, 11:45 AM	#68
clockworkrat Veteran Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Black Isle, Scotland Posts: 405	I have a great deal of trouble imagining a situation where Ricoh thinks crippling the K-mount would be a good idea.

09-06-2015, 12:25 PM	#69
Mattox Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 292 Original Poster	Originally posted by clockworkrat I have a great deal of trouble imagining a situation where Ricoh thinks crippling the K-mount would be a good idea. The is no way in the world that the K mount would be phased out. If they even thought about it they'd loose 50% of their Pentax customers over night. Half the fun of ff is using these old babies right. It's just so unfortunate that there doesn't exist a technology that permits you to use the DA lenses as though they were FF lenses without he cropping

09-06-2015, 12:33 PM	#70
clockworkrat Veteran Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Black Isle, Scotland Posts: 405	Originally posted by Mattox The is no way in the world that the K mount would be phased out. If they even thought about it they'd loose 50% of their Pentax customers over night. Half the fun of ff is using these old babies right. It's just so unfortunate that there doesn't exist a technology that permits you to use the DA lenses as though they were FF lenses without he cropping Some of the DA lenses might be okay on FF, but even more of a killer for me is the lack of an aperture ring. Suppose it's harder to fit in alongside the weather sealing.

09-06-2015, 01:27 PM	#71
formercanuck Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: SoCal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 518	Cost + lenses. My old DA 18-135mm won't cut it on an FF, I'd need to since some dough on FF lenses besides the old Sigma 28mm f/2.8, Pentax M-50, Rokinon 85mm f/1.4 and Pentax M-200 that I have. Many of my shots are casual / 'walk about', I'd need to find a reasonably priced replacement for my 18-135 'and' still pay for the cost of an FF camera. As far as the camera goes... 'IF' its reasonable when my k-30 dies, I'd consider it.

09-06-2015, 03:08 PM	#72
Chippedoff Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 33	Price is a factor but mount type might also be in play, still not sold on the FA mount on the released mockups. So Lenses and lens cost will also play in making the new FF unattractive. Hidden serious bugs like the recent k-3II GPS woes. No programmable buttons. No built in flash. I can live without GPS but in a pinch a flash, even a built in one has more use even if i have a remote flash. Wifi/BT isn't important to me as most DSLR wifi connectivity these days is spotty at best and insufferably slow and complicated for most people especially if your clients system isn't setup to inter-home message which is about 99% of setups. Most of the time i carry a combination USB/SD card reader and that's what i use, even at USB v1.0 it still better than wifi. Bad battery life would be a deterrent even with a grip battery pack. Slow or unstable write to card speeds: Buss/Buffer write speed to memory card is important but even my old k200d with a a UHS card saves quickly for a camera of that era.

09-06-2015, 03:41 PM	#73
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,695	Originally posted by Chippedoff mount type might also be in play, still not sold on the FA mount on the released mockups. What mount would you prefer instead of the K mount? Sony E mount, Nikon F, Canon EF, M42? Originally posted by zplus I won't buy it based on size. Like others have said, a D810 sized camera would be a no go for me. Because you're afraid it won't fit in you purse? The D810 is smaller than the D4s. And in any case Nikon have never been able to make a small SLR camera in the first place - that has always been Olympus and Pentax territory.

09-06-2015, 04:22 PM	#74
Chippedoff Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 33	Originally posted by Digitalis What mount would you prefer instead of the K mount? Sony E mount, Nikon F, Canon EF, M42? The K mount. I believe i hinted at i was not entirely convinced that the FF mock ups with the K FA Pentax has released will be what we will be getting. I had the same experience with my Nikon d90 with the mock up having some sort of Frankenstein-ed mount. I thought about your question and it would be nice to have less problems between Sigma and Pentax. Maybe i am just being a little paranoid. ~On the contrary i always hope for the best, unfortunately experience has taught me to expect the worst.~ (Garik)

09-06-2015, 05:37 PM	#75
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by Chippedoff The K mount. I believe i hinted at i was not entirely convinced that the FF mock ups with the K FA Pentax has released will be what we will be getting. I had the same experience with my Nikon d90 with the mock up having some sort of Frankenstein-ed mount. I thought about your question and it would be nice to have less problems between Sigma and Pentax. Maybe i am just being a little paranoid. ~On the contrary i always hope for the best, unfortunately experience has taught me to expect the worst.~ (Garik) I don't know what you mean by "less problems between Sigma and Pentax", but I would have thought the main problem was at the business end, getting the same level of treatment that other mounts get. At the product end, I've had several Sigmas, including the 105/2.8 macro and the 10-20/3.5, neither of which had any discernible K-mount problems, and still have the 8-16/4.5-5.6 (@Adam - incorrectly listed as a legacy lens, here, as an aside). I'm sure an improved level of treatment will eventuate with the growth of the K-mount user base, and the anticipated level of uptake of the forthcoming 35FF body should assist that.