What if the new FF camera is mirrorless?

AtitG · 09-19-2015, 04:22 AM

If the alleged pentax ff camera will use the new 42mp bsi sensor from sony with the sensor based phase detect AF, would the transition to mirrorless be easier. Here are the advantages if pentax decides to go mirrorless:

1. Best platform for legacy lenses. If it supports aperture and shutter priority for at least the pentax-a mount.
2. Best platform for 3rd party lenses. Mirrorless camera with access to sigma and tamron lenses. Best platform for samyang and zeiss zk mount, even the zeiss otus and milvus lenses if zeiss decides to manufacture it in k-mount (focus peaking/ stabilized). Manual focusing with the lens aperture wide open like most mirrorless cameras, unlike what we have today in liveview.
3. mirrorless camera with the best ergonomics. Shouldnt be hard for pentax to beat sony in this regard.
4. Mirrorless camera with access to film photography. Film is not yet dead, and i cant afford leica.

4. Better video for Pentax, i hope.

bobmaxja · 09-19-2015, 04:26 AM

No , it will not.

shaolen · 09-19-2015, 04:38 AM

its not going to be mirrorless

Aksel · 09-19-2015, 04:38 AM

But what about mirrorless MF camera?

AtitG · 09-19-2015, 04:43 AM

They did it before with the k-01. But the technology to make it compelling was not available then. EVFs and sensor based phase detect AF have much improved.

**boriscleto** · 09-19-2015, 05:16 AM

It's not goimg to happen. Let it go.

**UncleVanya** · 09-19-2015, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by AtitG

4. Mirrorless camera with access to film photography. Film is not yet dead, and i cant afford leica.

4. Better video for Pentax, i hope.

What does the first item number four mean? I have zero ideas how mirrorless and film dovetail.

The second item four is the only one posted that made sense to me. The others are all possible with liveview. The main reason for mirrorless is a shorter registration distance. Which allows a smaller system overall and makes adapting legacy lenses easy.

Na Horuk · 09-19-2015, 06:00 AM

I agree with 1,2,3, but not with 4 and 4. And as others, I really doubt Pentax will make any more mirrorless, other than Q. I would love a K-02, K-mount mirrorless, but I am really skeptical.
And yeah, the problem with digital and film is that we cannot take out the digital sensor and put in film. The mirror is not the problem. The digital sensor just stays there in place. The film needs a hole, and a system that moves the film correctly after each exposure.

AtitG · 09-19-2015, 06:14 AM

What i meant was, lens that you could actually use for film cameras. So far leica is the only company that offers mirrorless digital camera that can be used for film cameras. If you're a mirrorless shooter, you need a new set of lenses to shoot film, unless youre using leica. Shorter registration distance is not the only reason to go mirrorless, with ff you need big lenses anyway. There's little weight to be saved with those 70-200mm f/2.8. While liveview can do most things an evf can do, evf beats it in ergonomics. Liveview and farsighted people dont mix well

edgedemon · 09-19-2015, 06:16 AM

I'm in the minority of wishing they would, I use Sony now for exactly this reason. Old Pentax glass + EVF is just so much fun, Id love to come back to Pentax build quality and ergonomics

kenspo · 09-19-2015, 07:01 AM - **1 Like**

It won't be.

btnapa · 09-19-2015, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by AtitG

If the alleged pentax ff camera will use the new 42mp bsi sensor from sony with the sensor based phase detect AF, would the transition to mirrorless be easier. Here are the advantages if pentax decides to go mirrorless:

1. Best platform for legacy lenses. If it supports aperture and shutter priority for at least the pentax-a mount.
2. Best platform for 3rd party lenses. Mirrorless camera with access to sigma and tamron lenses. Best platform for samyang and zeiss zk mount, even the zeiss otus and milvus lenses if zeiss decides to manufacture it in k-mount (focus peaking/ stabilized). Manual focusing with the lens aperture wide open like most mirrorless cameras, unlike what we have today in liveview.
3. mirrorless camera with the best ergonomics. Shouldnt be hard for pentax to beat sony in this regard.
4. Mirrorless camera with access to film photography. Film is not yet dead, and i cant afford leica.

4. Better video for Pentax, i hope.

I am not sure if the upcoming release could be made to be a mirrorless but having a full frame mirrorless that takes current Pentax k-mount would be a treat. A serious mirrorless Pentax would slow down or stop the exodus to Sony or other mirrorless brands.

AtitG · 09-19-2015, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

It won't be.

i have to stop daydreaming then. Thanks.

normhead · 09-19-2015, 07:46 AM

And if it was, I wouldn't buy it.

rawr · 09-19-2015, 08:12 AM - **1 Like**

It could include some mirrorless tech - remember we were talking a while ago about their hybrid EVF/OVF viewfinder patent, which has some EVF tech living within the optical viewfinder.

09-19-2015, 04:22 AM	#1
AtitG Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 269	What if the new FF camera is mirrorless? If the alleged pentax ff camera will use the new 42mp bsi sensor from sony with the sensor based phase detect AF, would the transition to mirrorless be easier. Here are the advantages if pentax decides to go mirrorless: 1. Best platform for legacy lenses. If it supports aperture and shutter priority for at least the pentax-a mount. 2. Best platform for 3rd party lenses. Mirrorless camera with access to sigma and tamron lenses. Best platform for samyang and zeiss zk mount, even the zeiss otus and milvus lenses if zeiss decides to manufacture it in k-mount (focus peaking/ stabilized). Manual focusing with the lens aperture wide open like most mirrorless cameras, unlike what we have today in liveview. 3. mirrorless camera with the best ergonomics. Shouldnt be hard for pentax to beat sony in this regard. 4. Mirrorless camera with access to film photography. Film is not yet dead, and i cant afford leica. 4. Better video for Pentax, i hope.

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09-19-2015, 04:26 AM	#2
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	No , it will not.

09-19-2015, 04:38 AM	#3
shaolen Veteran Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,047	its not going to be mirrorless

09-19-2015, 04:38 AM	#4
Aksel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 224	But what about mirrorless MF camera?

09-19-2015, 04:43 AM	#5
AtitG Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 269 Original Poster	They did it before with the k-01. But the technology to make it compelling was not available then. EVFs and sensor based phase detect AF have much improved.

09-19-2015, 05:16 AM	#6
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	It's not goimg to happen. Let it go.

09-19-2015, 05:35 AM	#7
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,446	Originally posted by AtitG 4. Mirrorless camera with access to film photography. Film is not yet dead, and i cant afford leica. 4. Better video for Pentax, i hope. What does the first item number four mean? I have zero ideas how mirrorless and film dovetail. The second item four is the only one posted that made sense to me. The others are all possible with liveview. The main reason for mirrorless is a shorter registration distance. Which allows a smaller system overall and makes adapting legacy lenses easy.

09-19-2015, 06:00 AM	#8
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	I agree with 1,2,3, but not with 4 and 4. And as others, I really doubt Pentax will make any more mirrorless, other than Q. I would love a K-02, K-mount mirrorless, but I am really skeptical. And yeah, the problem with digital and film is that we cannot take out the digital sensor and put in film. The mirror is not the problem. The digital sensor just stays there in place. The film needs a hole, and a system that moves the film correctly after each exposure.

09-19-2015, 06:14 AM	#9
AtitG Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 269 Original Poster	What i meant was, lens that you could actually use for film cameras. So far leica is the only company that offers mirrorless digital camera that can be used for film cameras. If you're a mirrorless shooter, you need a new set of lenses to shoot film, unless youre using leica. Shorter registration distance is not the only reason to go mirrorless, with ff you need big lenses anyway. There's little weight to be saved with those 70-200mm f/2.8. While liveview can do most things an evf can do, evf beats it in ergonomics. Liveview and farsighted people dont mix well

09-19-2015, 06:16 AM	#10
edgedemon Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Photos: Albums Posts: 309	I'm in the minority of wishing they would, I use Sony now for exactly this reason. Old Pentax glass + EVF is just so much fun, Id love to come back to Pentax build quality and ergonomics

09-19-2015, 07:01 AM - 1 Like	#11
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	It won't be.

09-19-2015, 07:26 AM	#12
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,621	Originally posted by AtitG If the alleged pentax ff camera will use the new 42mp bsi sensor from sony with the sensor based phase detect AF, would the transition to mirrorless be easier. Here are the advantages if pentax decides to go mirrorless: 1. Best platform for legacy lenses. If it supports aperture and shutter priority for at least the pentax-a mount. 2. Best platform for 3rd party lenses. Mirrorless camera with access to sigma and tamron lenses. Best platform for samyang and zeiss zk mount, even the zeiss otus and milvus lenses if zeiss decides to manufacture it in k-mount (focus peaking/ stabilized). Manual focusing with the lens aperture wide open like most mirrorless cameras, unlike what we have today in liveview. 3. mirrorless camera with the best ergonomics. Shouldnt be hard for pentax to beat sony in this regard. 4. Mirrorless camera with access to film photography. Film is not yet dead, and i cant afford leica. 4. Better video for Pentax, i hope. I am not sure if the upcoming release could be made to be a mirrorless but having a full frame mirrorless that takes current Pentax k-mount would be a treat. A serious mirrorless Pentax would slow down or stop the exodus to Sony or other mirrorless brands.

09-19-2015, 07:41 AM	#13
AtitG Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 269 Original Poster	Originally posted by kenspo It won't be. i have to stop daydreaming then. Thanks.

09-19-2015, 07:46 AM	#14
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	And if it was, I wouldn't buy it.

09-19-2015, 08:12 AM - 1 Like	#15
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	It could include some mirrorless tech - remember we were talking a while ago about their hybrid EVF/OVF viewfinder patent, which has some EVF tech living within the optical viewfinder.