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Kozlok · 09-19-2015, 08:21 AM - **1 Like**

The new Pentax mirrorless will be a (very) large format. This super secret spy photo shows Ricoh engineers (disguised as hipsters) hard at work on the prototype. This is where all this size-obsession leads to. Don't blame me when you get this:

Bryce K · 09-19-2015, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

It won't be.

well this, and one one advantage of mirrorless would be you could fit everything into a smaller body - ala Sony. Any visible evidence so far points to a larger body to accommodate the mirror and associated pentaprism. Making a mirrorless that is physically substantially larger than the competition would be a mistake.

Lakai · 09-19-2015, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Bryce K

well this, and one one advantage of mirrorless would be you could fit everything into a smaller body - ala Sony. Any visible evidence so far points to a larger body to accommodate the mirror and associated pentaprism. Making a mirrorless that is physically substantially larger than the competition would be a mistake.

I agree that the upcomming FF will not be mirrorless but I hope that they would make one. The size of K5 is already big and straining for those with small hands. For those who are already comfortable with the size of say ks2 I think mirrorless is the way to go to fit a FF sensor to such a compact dslr otherwise it will be thicker

Kunzite · 09-19-2015, 09:47 AM - **1 Like**

This "what if the Pentax FF K-mount DSLR officially announced as such is actually a mirrorless" reminds me of a certain movie:

You Tube

Please stop. It is a DSLR. Yes, that's a fact. Nope, it cannot be changed - definitely not by posts on Pentax Forums.

jimr-pdx · 09-19-2015, 09:48 AM

The only way that could play out is if they made a thin body and included a fully-aware K-mount adapter with a motorized aperture lever. The SR alone will make it fairly thick and I don't see SR being sacrificed the way Sony did with their small bodies, though perhaps they could put that in the adapter too?

I'd like to see it but R.Pentax has too many other items to spend on first, so holding my breath would be counterproductive..

RonHendriks1966 · 09-19-2015, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

It's not goimg to happen. Let it go.

What if it was aps-h?

btnapa · 09-19-2015, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by AtitG

i have to stop daydreaming then. Thanks.

Not necessarily. According to the sales stats, DSLR sales are down and mirrorless is up, way up. There is no way, Pentax is not watching. So what they will come up for a solution, I am not sure but I am sure they are watching this closely. They better. You cannot ignore what people want an are buying.

I wish they had not given up on the K-01and followed it up. If they did, they would be the one who everyone else is chasing. Again, it is not too late. They are know for coming up with surprises every now and then.

Kunzite · 09-19-2015, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by btnapa

Not necessarily. According to the sales stats, DSLR sales are down and mirrorless is up, way up.

According to which sales stats?

btnapa · 09-19-2015, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

According to which sales stats?

@Kunzite, I have been seeing them on various photo sites. The most recent one is on sonyalpharumors.com (sonyalpharumors). It show a bar graph of DSLR and mirrorless sales growth for the last three years. The stats are from Sony... and of course they are leading the charge. There were more in-depth graphs but I do not remember where I saw them.

Kunzite · 09-19-2015, 10:59 AM

And don't you think they might be a bit... biased? You know, carefully selecting the sources and presenting the data/crafting some conclusions?

Let's forget about stats and look at the real data i.e. shipments to Americas, January to July 2015: compared to the same period one year ago, both DSLRs and MILCs had a slight growth.
And what Sony would never tell you, is that the DSLR:MILC ratio is - again, in Americas - of about 5.4:1.
http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201507_e.pdf

AtitG · 09-19-2015, 11:36 AM

I think they quoted figures from NPD group retail tracking service. Its a recent article in imaging resource.

Kunzite · 09-19-2015, 03:19 PM

Yes, they did - because NPD provided convenient figures. But you know the saying, "there a lies, damned lies and statistics"...

As I said, Sony "forgot" to mention the MILC sales are in fact very low in the Americas, compared to DSLRs. Much more so than the world-wide ratio. That's a lie by omission, they only show the "improvement" because it looks nice for them.

Something else, that 42% growth was mostly done at the expense of other MILC makers - judging within the data provided. One should never assume that Ricoh would instantly steal the top spot and jump to 42% growth and MILC market share leadership - on the contrary, as new entrants they'll be in the worst possible position.

Another critical aspect is sampling. In this case, we're not actually talking about a statistical sampling, but which stores are covered by NPD and which ones are not. We can only hope enough of them are covered, and of a random distribution - but that's not good enough. We have to know.
As you can see, there's a discrepancy between the reported sales figures and the official, CIPA-provided shipments. For me, that makes the reported sales figures suspect.

patarok · 10-16-2015, 03:31 AM

If it would be, than it would not be a real mirrorless, instead it would have some "new" mirror technology like an A99, this would be the only option that comes to mind, when one looks at the photos at: www.pentax.com

Kunzite · 10-16-2015, 03:39 AM

I only see a DSLR teaser on www.pentax.com... is there anything else?

Clavius · 10-16-2015, 03:43 AM

What if the Pentax digital FF camera would actually ever exist?

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09-19-2015, 08:21 AM - 1 Like	#16
Kozlok Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Albuquerque Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,148	The new Pentax mirrorless will be a (very) large format. This super secret spy photo shows Ricoh engineers (disguised as hipsters) hard at work on the prototype. This is where all this size-obsession leads to. Don't blame me when you get this:

09-19-2015, 08:23 AM	#17
Bryce K Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Richmond, TX Posts: 93	Originally posted by kenspo It won't be. well this, and one one advantage of mirrorless would be you could fit everything into a smaller body - ala Sony. Any visible evidence so far points to a larger body to accommodate the mirror and associated pentaprism. Making a mirrorless that is physically substantially larger than the competition would be a mistake.

09-19-2015, 09:21 AM	#18
Lakai Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 47	Originally posted by Bryce K well this, and one one advantage of mirrorless would be you could fit everything into a smaller body - ala Sony. Any visible evidence so far points to a larger body to accommodate the mirror and associated pentaprism. Making a mirrorless that is physically substantially larger than the competition would be a mistake. I agree that the upcomming FF will not be mirrorless but I hope that they would make one. The size of K5 is already big and straining for those with small hands. For those who are already comfortable with the size of say ks2 I think mirrorless is the way to go to fit a FF sensor to such a compact dslr otherwise it will be thicker

09-19-2015, 09:48 AM	#20
jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	The only way that could play out is if they made a thin body and included a fully-aware K-mount adapter with a motorized aperture lever. The SR alone will make it fairly thick and I don't see SR being sacrificed the way Sony did with their small bodies, though perhaps they could put that in the adapter too? I'd like to see it but R.Pentax has too many other items to spend on first, so holding my breath would be counterproductive..

09-19-2015, 09:53 AM	#21
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by boriscleto It's not goimg to happen. Let it go. What if it was aps-h?

09-19-2015, 09:56 AM	#22
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,621	Originally posted by AtitG i have to stop daydreaming then. Thanks. Not necessarily. According to the sales stats, DSLR sales are down and mirrorless is up, way up. There is no way, Pentax is not watching. So what they will come up for a solution, I am not sure but I am sure they are watching this closely. They better. You cannot ignore what people want an are buying. I wish they had not given up on the K-01and followed it up. If they did, they would be the one who everyone else is chasing. Again, it is not too late. They are know for coming up with surprises every now and then.

09-19-2015, 10:30 AM	#23
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by btnapa Not necessarily. According to the sales stats, DSLR sales are down and mirrorless is up, way up. According to which sales stats?

09-19-2015, 10:40 AM	#24
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,621	Originally posted by Kunzite According to which sales stats? @Kunzite, I have been seeing them on various photo sites. The most recent one is on sonyalpharumors.com (sonyalpharumors). It show a bar graph of DSLR and mirrorless sales growth for the last three years. The stats are from Sony... and of course they are leading the charge. There were more in-depth graphs but I do not remember where I saw them.

09-19-2015, 10:59 AM	#25
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	And don't you think they might be a bit... biased? You know, carefully selecting the sources and presenting the data/crafting some conclusions? Let's forget about stats and look at the real data i.e. shipments to Americas, January to July 2015: compared to the same period one year ago, both DSLRs and MILCs had a slight growth. And what Sony would never tell you, is that the DSLR:MILC ratio is - again, in Americas - of about 5.4:1. http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201507_e.pdf

09-19-2015, 11:36 AM	#26
AtitG Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 269 Original Poster	I think they quoted figures from NPD group retail tracking service. Its a recent article in imaging resource.

09-19-2015, 03:19 PM	#27
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Yes, they did - because NPD provided convenient figures. But you know the saying, "there a lies, damned lies and statistics"... As I said, Sony "forgot" to mention the MILC sales are in fact very low in the Americas, compared to DSLRs. Much more so than the world-wide ratio. That's a lie by omission, they only show the "improvement" because it looks nice for them. Something else, that 42% growth was mostly done at the expense of other MILC makers - judging within the data provided. One should never assume that Ricoh would instantly steal the top spot and jump to 42% growth and MILC market share leadership - on the contrary, as new entrants they'll be in the worst possible position. Another critical aspect is sampling. In this case, we're not actually talking about a statistical sampling, but which stores are covered by NPD and which ones are not. We can only hope enough of them are covered, and of a random distribution - but that's not good enough. We have to know. As you can see, there's a discrepancy between the reported sales figures and the official, CIPA-provided shipments. For me, that makes the reported sales figures suspect.

10-16-2015, 03:31 AM	#28
patarok Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 389	If it would be, than it would not be a real mirrorless, instead it would have some "new" mirror technology like an A99, this would be the only option that comes to mind, when one looks at the photos at: www.pentax.com

10-16-2015, 03:39 AM	#29
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I only see a DSLR teaser on www.pentax.com... is there anything else?

10-16-2015, 03:43 AM	#30
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	What if the Pentax digital FF camera would actually ever exist?

What if the new FF camera is mirrorless?

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