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12-14-2015, 06:45 AM   #106
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People are getting too bent out of shape over nothing. The point is to have a camera with a larger sensor that performs well and takes photos. The A7r II is fine, but so is the D810. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference in photos between these two cameras based on the sensors alone.

There is way too much focus on technology. Of course, tech moves on, but the fact that the D810 is a generation old at this point doesn't change the fact that it is a great camera that folks will be shooting with for years to come. The proof is in the photos.

12-14-2015, 06:52 AM   #107
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
People are getting too bent out of shape over nothing. The point is to have a camera with a larger sensor that performs well and takes photos. The A7r II is fine, but so is the D810. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference in photos between these two cameras based on the sensors alone.

There is way too much focus on technology. Of course, tech moves on, but the fact that the D810 is a generation old at this point doesn't change the fact that it is a great camera that folks will be shooting with for years to come. The proof is in the photos.
Now you're being pragmatic, silly you!

Of course virtually all dSLRs beyond a certain level will take good photos, and in many cases exceed the users' abilities (present company excluded, as your posts repeatedly make me want to throw out all my gear). But the objective is to attract new users, and that could be difficult without some compelling factor.
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Now you're being pragmatic, silly you!

Of course virtually all dSLRs beyond a certain level will take good photos, and in many cases exceed the users' abilities (present company excluded, as your posts repeatedly make me want to throw out all my gear). But the objective is to attract new users, and that could be difficult without some compelling factor.
But this camera will have in body shake reduction, astro tracer, and pixel shift. Hopefully it will have cutting edge auto focus and tracking. Maybe a few other details thrown in, but to me, that stuff is enough to make it stand out from typical canon and nikon offerings.
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This camera will be a generalist all purpose camera - it will have great ergonomics, great weather sealing, a sensible pixel count augmented by pixel shift under the right conditions to make it class-leading in resolution - we know it will have a crop mode, we know it will have GPS and Wi-Fi as well as all the standard Pentax features, along with the slightly exotic astro-tracer. We know it will have stuff like low-speed continuous and high-speed continuous, and a quirky but rather appealing rear LCD, and one or two other functions that aren't 100% clear what they signify. The K-3ii was basically produced to trial some of that technology. It won't have a machine-gun frame rate because the usefulness is not worth the expense - I wouldn't even care if it didn't have video, but it does. It won't have class-leading AF, but they must realise that it has long been an Achilles heel, and hopefully made another big step towards closing the gap. It will have one rabbit in the hat - Pentax have always done that - but what I really hope Ricoh-Pentax have concentrated on is doing what it does as best as they can make it do it. That might be boring to gadget freaks, but a robust, water-heat-cold-resistant camera offering great resolution and all the features Pentax slip in as standard with low noise and all-round great IQ - that's all most non-specialist photographers want from a camera body - a rival to the D810 and 5D mkii which incorporates their strengths and improves on their weaknesses- and if the Pentax FF delivered such a camera where you could forget what make it was and just love the experience of making photographs, I for one would be more than happy.

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This camera will be a generalist all purpose camera - it will have great ergonomics, great weather sealing, a sensible pixel count augmented by pixel shift under the right conditions to make it class-leading in resolution - we know it will have a crop mode, we know it will have GPS and Wi-Fi as well as all the standard Pentax features, along with the slightly exotic astro-tracer. We know it will have stuff like low-speed continuous and high-speed continuous, and a quirky but rather appealing rear LCD, and one or two other functions that aren't 100% clear what they signify. The K-3ii was basically produced to trial some of that technology. It won't have a machine-gun frame rate because the usefulness is not worth the expense - I wouldn't even care if it didn't have video, but it does. It won't have class-leading AF, but they must realise that it has long been an Achilles heel, and hopefully made another big step towards closing the gap. It will have one rabbit in the hat - Pentax have always done that - but what I really hope Ricoh-Pentax have concentrated on is doing what it does as best as they can make it do it. That might be boring to gadget freaks, but a robust, water-heat-cold-resistant camera offering great resolution and all the features Pentax slip in as standard with low noise and all-round great IQ - that's all most non-specialist photographers want from a camera body - a rival to the D810 and 5D mkii which incorporates their strengths and improves on their weaknesses- and if the Pentax FF delivered such a camera where you could forget what make it was and just love the experience of making photographs, I for one would be more than happy.
Nice narrative. Let's hope your predictions/expectations are achieved.
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I haven't tried K3, I'm still using my trusty K5, but I sincerely hope they will calibrate the new FF model not to underexpose so much. It's become ever more tedious to correct underexposure in PS. I know I can push EV, but it really should be exposing properly at EV 0 in the first place. ETTR should have become common place by now. There's no need to preserve highlights that much.
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QuoteOriginally posted by deepbluish Quote
I haven't tried K3, I'm still using my trusty K5, but I sincerely hope they will calibrate the new FF model not to underexpose so much. It's become ever more tedious to correct underexposure in PS. I know I can push EV, but it really should be exposing properly at EV 0 in the first place. ETTR should have become common place by now. There's no need to preserve highlights that much.
You can put your camera on EV corrections and +0,3 is already good mostly.
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As I said, I know I can, but my point is that I should not be doing that in the first place. EV correction is exactly what it says it is, a correction, not something which is supposed to be set to + or - all the time.

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QuoteOriginally posted by deepbluish Quote
There's no need to preserve highlights that much.
By main technical problem is overexposed highlights. Happens all the time despite trying to counter it at every instance. Of course I just need more dynamic range but my fail is not saving those hightlights.
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QuoteOriginally posted by house Quote
By main technical problem is overexposed highlights. Happens all the time despite trying to counter it at every instance. Of course I just need more dynamic range but my fail is not saving those hightlights.
Both my previously owned K10 and now K5 are highlights overprotective. They both constantly underexpose too much. There are instances of course when they expose correctly, but my experience with both cameras tells me that Pentax generally lean toward underexposing.
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QuoteOriginally posted by deepbluish Quote
As I said, I know I can, but my point is that I should not be doing that in the first place. EV correction is exactly what it says it is, a correction, not something which is supposed to be set to + or - all the time.
Don't try to put the needle in the middle.

All cameras attempt to make your picture 18% grey.

So if you shoot predominantly bright subjects, they'll all end up darker, and your whites are dull.

If you shoot dark subjects, you'll blow the highlights and turn the sky white, as @House has found.

A JPEG shooter can chimp a test shot or look at its histogram to see where the adjustment should be, a RAW shooter will rely on the extra latitude in post to nail the exposure.

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QuoteOriginally posted by deepbluish Quote
As I said, I know I can, but my point is that I should not be doing that in the first place. EV correction is exactly what it says it is, a correction, not something which is supposed to be set to + or - all the time.
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Don't try to put the needle in the middle.
Exactly!
Light meters are not responsible for proper exposure. They provide data. It's up to the person looking through the viewfinder to determine the proper exposure by interpreting that data relative to the scene.

There is one exception. If your intent is to create a portrait of an 18% grey card, a properly calibrated light meter will do the work for you.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
Exactly!
Light meters are not responsible for proper exposure. They provide data. It's up to the person looking through the viewfinder to determine the proper exposure by interpreting that data relative to the scene.

There is one exception. If your intent is to create a portrait of an 18% grey card, a properly calibrated light meter will do the work for you.
I don't know. Certain people tell me that Nikons know what they are thinking and always produce the correct exposure based on their expectations. Apparently they have some serious AI capability.
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Both my previously owned K10 and now K5 are highlights overprotective. They both constantly underexpose too much. There are instances of course when they expose correctly, but my experience with both cameras tells me that Pentax generally lean toward underexposing.
I don't shoot jpegs much, but I have found if I shoot with moderate shadow correction, the K3 is about right as far as exposure. With all of these things, it depends a lot on the scene. Most of the time if I am shooting RAW, I would prefer to protect the highlights and bump the shadows after the fact.

The most important thing is that your camera is consistent. If you know how it shoots in different situations and it is always the same, then it is easy to compensate. No camera is going to be perfect one hundred percent of the time -- that is to say, cameras don't "see" the world we do and if you want it render a scene the way you want, you'll have to put in a little effort.
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Nikons know what they are thinking and always produce the correct exposure based on their expectations. Apparently they have some serious AI capability.
If my D4 starts offering me Cake, i'm SO out of here.
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