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11-05-2015, 01:56 AM - 1 Like   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by Sandy Hancock Quote
Full frame 36x24 is about speed and convenience AFAIAC.
Which is what made the Nikon F5 such a perplexing camera, it was neither fast, nor convenient to carry around..... I digress..

11-05-2015, 02:40 AM   #47
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By now the Sony 36MP IMX094AQP sensor chip, as seen first in the D800 released Feb 2012, is at least 4 years old (assuming it started to roll out of a Sony chip factory maybe 6 months before the D800 was actually announced). So that's a mid 2011 chip. After 4 years of production, it should be very affordable indeed.

However 4 years is a long time in the chip world. I hope that since 2011, Sony have been continuously evolving, developing and tuning the chip.

FWIW, at the moment Sony is only listing 2 chips as available for full-frame - a 24MP (IMX128) and a 36 MP chip (still the same IMX094):

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If you look on the microprocessor world, the average selling time for an "architecture" (a base with some variation in speed to create different price) is between 5 to 7 years for the average model.

I'm not surprise if Sony don't create another sensor right now.

I'm pretty sure though, that they more or less already know what they will create next.
And i'm betting that it will be like a back-illuminated 24x36.
Because when you look at what they sell, the back illuminated chips seems to be bigger and bigger (2009 for the 1/1,7 chip, 2013 for the 1" with the RX10). Next step is APS-C and FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by aurele Quote
If you look on the microprocessor world, the average selling time for an "architecture" (a base with some variation in speed to create different price) is between 5 to 7 years for the average model.

I'm not surprise if Sony don't create another sensor right now.

I'm pretty sure though, that they more or less already know what they will create next.
And i'm betting that it will be like a back-illuminated 24x36.
Because when you look at what they sell, the back illuminated chips seems to be bigger and bigger (2009 for the 1/1,7 chip, 2013 for the 1" with the RX10). Next step is APS-C and FF.
Isn't the A7R II with it's 42MP sensor already BSI?
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
By now the Sony 36MP IMX094AQP sensor chip, as seen first in the D800 released Feb 2012, is at least 4 years old (assuming it started to roll out of a Sony chip factory maybe 6 months before the D800 was actually announced). So that's a mid 2011 chip. After 4 years of production, it should be very affordable indeed.

However 4 years is a long time in the chip world. I hope that since 2011, Sony have been continuously evolving, developing and tuning the chip.

FWIW, at the moment Sony is only listing 2 chips as available for full-frame - a 24MP (IMX128) and a 36 MP chip (still the same IMX094):

Sony Global - Products
Good analysis.

That makes sense though to use that chip as it (from the sounds of it) performs well in the Nikon D800?
And it wouldn't be too expensive.

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Isn't the A7R II with it's 42MP sensor already BSI?
indeed it is !

It's the only Exmor R in this size. Which makes me think that Sony might soon release it in other size soon... maybe the next Pentax APS-C will use it
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Do you really think that Pentax get back in the FF game with an old sensor? Come on!
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Do you really think that Pentax get back in the FF game with an old sensor? Come on!
Is Ricoh supplying you with what to say?
(In the PF thread "New Pentax Full Frame Gets 36MP Sensor?" write a comment saying "Do you really think that Pentax get back in the FF game with an old sensor? Come on!")
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an old sensor?
The only thing old about it might be the megapixel count and model name. I am sure Sony would have been continually revising it and improving it since it was released. They are probably up to v4 of the chip now.

I also believe that even if Pentax installed the freshest sensor (ie the 42MP Sony) in their new FF, that won't impress anyone unless they also mate it with a fast graphics processor, top-notch new AF system, better video etc.

If they did all those secondary systems really well in the new FF, as well as got everything else right with the camera (ergonomics etc), I think the world will forgive them for going with an 'old' 36MP sensor in their new flagship.

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It's all in the processing algorithms - what makes or breaks this camera will 50% be the user interface and 50% what happens between the face of the sensor (ANY sensor) and the SD card. Your mileage may vary on the percentages, and that's fine.
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
Do you really think that Pentax get back in the FF game with an old sensor? Come on!
Maybe you didn't notice, a lot of people think Pentax is really stupid.
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