Will the new Pentax K1 FF be DOA??

biz-engineer · 12-03-2015, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by normhead

To say you can't make your FF last for 5 years because of some new feature is pretty much nuts.

No, I was considering reliability rather than features (hopefully I expressed myself clearly in english, but it looks like I did not).

kain · 12-03-2015, 12:29 PM

Betteridge's law at work.

normhead · 12-03-2015, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

No, I was considering reliability rather than features (hopefully I expressed myself clearly in english, but it looks like I did not).

My K20D still works exactly as it was designed to do. Never had an issue of any kind, and it's been carried for miles on hikes,bouncing with every step and also on portages. It hasn't had an easy life.

biz-engineer · 12-03-2015, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by normhead

My K20D still works exactly as it was designed to do. Never had an issue of any kind, and it's been carried for miles on hikes,bouncing with every step and also on portages. It hasn't had an easy life.

Well, my K200 also lasted a long time. But I feel like the recent camera models were not up to the reliability level of older models. My K-5 seldom hanged, perhaps twice in 4 years, but the K-3 had the mirror flop, I purchase that model after the mirror flop was supposed to be fixed, but it happened once or twice + numerous camera firmware hanging. So far, the experience with the K-3 is that it is less stable at previous models, and it is less stable than Canon equivalent cameras. So , I really wish that Ricoh do a bit more effort in product testing, verification and QC for the full frame.

rawr · 12-03-2015, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

I really wish that Ricoh do a bit more effort in product testing, verification and QC for the full frame.

A 'pro grade' camera certainly requires that.

They seem to have done fairly well with the 'pro grade' 645Z. Reports of software bugs or hardware QC problems seem rare. So Ricoh can do it.

Shanti · 12-03-2015, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Really?

No not negative--realistic Pentax is not Doomed !! but he rest of the world???
I have the funds saved for a Pentax FF now (if the stock market doesn't crash ;( ),just to get some feedback ..if its out in the wild now then no new tech will happen in it & 4 months is a long time to maybe just tweak the firmware in it..

---------- Post added 12-04-15 at 01:14 AM ----------

Originally posted by DeadJohn

DOA = Doomed™ on arrival

NO I never said what DOA meant

it means Dreams of Aspiration... shouldn't take everything at Face value

**clackers** · 12-03-2015, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Shanti

NO I never said what DOA meant

it means Dreams of Aspiration... shouldn't take everything at Face value

Good save. :-)

normhead · 12-03-2015, 05:50 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

Good save. :-)

Close, but I'm not buying it.

**RobA_Oz** · 12-03-2015, 07:29 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

Good save. :-)

Own goal, I reckon...

6BQ5 · 12-03-2015, 10:34 PM

Don't focus on "what" the FF will or will not be. Everyone knows the "what". Focus on the "how" and the "why". These two bits will overshadow the "what" and will win over consumers.

Sony managed to stuff a FF sensor in a camera-ish body and we got the A7 series. It is capable of capturing beautiful images but it still lacks a lot of performance and operational features that Canon and Nikon have - the "how" which is driven by the "why".

We don't know the "how" and "why" for Ricoh so focus on the "what".

pinholecam · 12-04-2015, 01:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Shanti

Not to be negative here at all,as I am eagerly awaiting the FF release..
But as Nikon just acquired Samsung NX tech ,and a D760,D820,D5 , Canon 120MP whatever ...are probably out next year (springtime

) what will the Pentax FF have if its already in its final production stage now,and we know how fast tech moves in the camera world...4 months is a long time...
I just wonder who,besides us who have lots of Pentax glass,will be seduced by the new FF??
To me it must have like 14-15 bit DR, base ISO of 50, ISO 6400 with little if any noise, 8-10 FPS ,say with he 36MP sensor that seems to be 'the one' they will use.. and I doubt video will be a strong point(for me that is not a problem)
Just looking for other's comments,ideas here on how the K1 will be competitive ,compared to what Nikon/Canon will have out then...

I don't really care.

It takes the nice smallish Pentax primes that I already have.
No macho nacho fastest f-stop, no nit-picky MTF charts champion, but these lenses make so much more usable sense (all things considered) to me and thats enough of a reason to get one.

Success or not, does not matter to me.
I just need to get one and it will last me a good 5yrs at the least and 8-10yrs if I am lucky (entirely possible judging from some of the Canon 5D's out there)

pathdoc · 12-04-2015, 05:09 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by 6BQ5

Focus on the "how" and the "why". These two bits will overshadow the "what" and will win over consumers.

Yes.

The 35mm DSLR full frame equivalent of the 645Z is what we want. And it's partially because of the 645Z that our expectations and impatience levels are so high. In terms of quality, success (can't turn it out fast enough) and bang-for-buck, it's a world-beater and we badly want Ricoh to do the same for us in full-frame. Let's hope any new primes that come out are not in the over-huge Sigma mold. Yes, we could do with at least one very fast wide-angle and one very fast normal prime, but the FA50/1.4 isn't really that large, and a D-FA* 50mm f/1.2 flagship lens (for argument's sake) shouldn't have to be that much bigger.

brewmaster15 · 12-09-2015, 06:26 AM

Im not one to buy the latest and newest just because its the latest and newest. I bought my first K20D when it was new ...that was my first dslr after years of film. .. still use it and other k20ds I have picked up since.... fast forward many years and I upgraded to the K3 this past year skipping everything between the k20d and k3...why?curiosity mostly but specs played a role.I like the k3 alot....its not my favorite yet but growing on me.

I'm not waiting for the full frame camera to come out.Im curious as to what the product will be like but its not on my "gotta have "list....yet. Right now what I want is more quality glass! What I have so far meets my needs....and honestly I probably have way more than I need! But I really enjoy old lenses.

The only thing I find abit amusing with the Full Frame hype is how the tag "full frame" is being added to many old lenses being sold. As if it somehow makes a so-so quality lens into a high quality lens. I See it more and more in the descriptions. Its just alittle over the top marketing in my book. I do DREAD the jump in prices for old glass that may happen once full frame comes out. Until then I'll just keep focusing on glass aquisitions for my LBA

Al

pathdoc · 12-09-2015, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by brewmaster15

The only thing I find a bit amusing with the Full Frame hype is how the tag "full frame" is being added to many old lenses being sold. As if it somehow makes a so-so quality lens into a high quality lens.

It's only an issue because many of the DA lenses do NOT cover the full 35mm-equivalent frame and will have to be used in crop mode on the new camera or be like looking through a long pipe. It's not so much being hyped (though that's a part of it) as informing people of its optical compatibility - though having shot film for many years before going digital, I know full well that ANY film-era lens is "full-frame ready".

Originally posted by brewmaster15

I do DREAD the jump in prices for old glass that may happen once full frame comes out.

OTOH those who value corner-to-corner consistency in sharpness could be found rushing to discard those "full frame" lenses which they find don't deliver it. Then, depending on what your own standards are, there could be bargains to be had.

Wired · 12-11-2015, 01:57 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by pathdoc

OTOH those who value corner-to-corner consistency in sharpness could be found rushing to discard those "full frame" lenses which they find don't deliver it. Then, depending on what your own standards are, there could be bargains to be had.

lol, math shooters in my opinion. If your more concerned about the corners then your main subject isn't presented properly.

I think we forumites get too hung up on the tech. I think we just need to relax and shoot more.

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12-03-2015, 12:17 PM	#46
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by normhead To say you can't make your FF last for 5 years because of some new feature is pretty much nuts. No, I was considering reliability rather than features (hopefully I expressed myself clearly in english, but it looks like I did not).

12-03-2015, 12:29 PM	#47
kain Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 162	Betteridge's law at work.

12-03-2015, 12:50 PM	#48
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by biz-engineer No, I was considering reliability rather than features (hopefully I expressed myself clearly in english, but it looks like I did not). My K20D still works exactly as it was designed to do. Never had an issue of any kind, and it's been carried for miles on hikes,bouncing with every step and also on portages. It hasn't had an easy life.

12-03-2015, 03:05 PM	#49
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by normhead My K20D still works exactly as it was designed to do. Never had an issue of any kind, and it's been carried for miles on hikes,bouncing with every step and also on portages. It hasn't had an easy life. Well, my K200 also lasted a long time. But I feel like the recent camera models were not up to the reliability level of older models. My K-5 seldom hanged, perhaps twice in 4 years, but the K-3 had the mirror flop, I purchase that model after the mirror flop was supposed to be fixed, but it happened once or twice + numerous camera firmware hanging. So far, the experience with the K-3 is that it is less stable at previous models, and it is less stable than Canon equivalent cameras. So , I really wish that Ricoh do a bit more effort in product testing, verification and QC for the full frame.

12-03-2015, 05:02 PM	#50
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by biz-engineer I really wish that Ricoh do a bit more effort in product testing, verification and QC for the full frame. A 'pro grade' camera certainly requires that. They seem to have done fairly well with the 'pro grade' 645Z. Reports of software bugs or hardware QC problems seem rare. So Ricoh can do it.

12-03-2015, 05:02 PM	#51
Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite Really? No not negative--realistic Pentax is not Doomed !! but he rest of the world??? I have the funds saved for a Pentax FF now (if the stock market doesn't crash ;( ),just to get some feedback ..if its out in the wild now then no new tech will happen in it & 4 months is a long time to maybe just tweak the firmware in it.. ---------- Post added 12-04-15 at 01:14 AM ---------- Originally posted by DeadJohn DOA = Doomed™ on arrival NO I never said what DOA meant it means Dreams of Aspiration... shouldn't take everything at Face value

12-03-2015, 05:42 PM	#52
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Shanti NO I never said what DOA meant it means Dreams of Aspiration... shouldn't take everything at Face value Good save. :-)

12-03-2015, 05:50 PM - 1 Like	#53
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by clackers Good save. :-) Close, but I'm not buying it.

12-03-2015, 07:29 PM - 1 Like	#54
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by clackers Good save. :-) Own goal, I reckon...

12-03-2015, 10:34 PM	#55
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	Don't focus on "what" the FF will or will not be. Everyone knows the "what". Focus on the "how" and the "why". These two bits will overshadow the "what" and will win over consumers. Sony managed to stuff a FF sensor in a camera-ish body and we got the A7 series. It is capable of capturing beautiful images but it still lacks a lot of performance and operational features that Canon and Nikon have - the "how" which is driven by the "why". We don't know the "how" and "why" for Ricoh so focus on the "what".

12-04-2015, 01:22 AM - 1 Like	#56
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Originally posted by Shanti Not to be negative here at all,as I am eagerly awaiting the FF release.. But as Nikon just acquired Samsung NX tech ,and a D760,D820,D5 , Canon 120MP whatever ...are probably out next year (springtime ) what will the Pentax FF have if its already in its final production stage now,and we know how fast tech moves in the camera world...4 months is a long time... I just wonder who,besides us who have lots of Pentax glass,will be seduced by the new FF?? To me it must have like 14-15 bit DR, base ISO of 50, ISO 6400 with little if any noise, 8-10 FPS ,say with he 36MP sensor that seems to be 'the one' they will use.. and I doubt video will be a strong point(for me that is not a problem) Just looking for other's comments,ideas here on how the K1 will be competitive ,compared to what Nikon/Canon will have out then... I don't really care. It takes the nice smallish Pentax primes that I already have. No macho nacho fastest f-stop, no nit-picky MTF charts champion, but these lenses make so much more usable sense (all things considered) to me and thats enough of a reason to get one. Success or not, does not matter to me. I just need to get one and it will last me a good 5yrs at the least and 8-10yrs if I am lucky (entirely possible judging from some of the Canon 5D's out there)

12-04-2015, 05:09 AM - 1 Like	#57
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by 6BQ5 Focus on the "how" and the "why". These two bits will overshadow the "what" and will win over consumers. Yes. The 35mm DSLR full frame equivalent of the 645Z is what we want. And it's partially because of the 645Z that our expectations and impatience levels are so high. In terms of quality, success (can't turn it out fast enough) and bang-for-buck, it's a world-beater and we badly want Ricoh to do the same for us in full-frame. Let's hope any new primes that come out are not in the over-huge Sigma mold. Yes, we could do with at least one very fast wide-angle and one very fast normal prime, but the FA50/1.4 isn't really that large, and a D-FA* 50mm f/1.2 flagship lens (for argument's sake) shouldn't have to be that much bigger.

12-09-2015, 06:26 AM	#58
brewmaster15 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: CT Posts: 1,860	Im not one to buy the latest and newest just because its the latest and newest. I bought my first K20D when it was new ...that was my first dslr after years of film. .. still use it and other k20ds I have picked up since.... fast forward many years and I upgraded to the K3 this past year skipping everything between the k20d and k3...why?curiosity mostly but specs played a role.I like the k3 alot....its not my favorite yet but growing on me. I'm not waiting for the full frame camera to come out.Im curious as to what the product will be like but its not on my "gotta have "list....yet. Right now what I want is more quality glass! What I have so far meets my needs....and honestly I probably have way more than I need! But I really enjoy old lenses. The only thing I find abit amusing with the Full Frame hype is how the tag "full frame" is being added to many old lenses being sold. As if it somehow makes a so-so quality lens into a high quality lens. I See it more and more in the descriptions. Its just alittle over the top marketing in my book. I do DREAD the jump in prices for old glass that may happen once full frame comes out. Until then I'll just keep focusing on glass aquisitions for my LBA Al

12-09-2015, 07:04 AM	#59
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by brewmaster15 The only thing I find a bit amusing with the Full Frame hype is how the tag "full frame" is being added to many old lenses being sold. As if it somehow makes a so-so quality lens into a high quality lens. It's only an issue because many of the DA lenses do NOT cover the full 35mm-equivalent frame and will have to be used in crop mode on the new camera or be like looking through a long pipe. It's not so much being hyped (though that's a part of it) as informing people of its optical compatibility - though having shot film for many years before going digital, I know full well that ANY film-era lens is "full-frame ready". Originally posted by brewmaster15 I do DREAD the jump in prices for old glass that may happen once full frame comes out. OTOH those who value corner-to-corner consistency in sharpness could be found rushing to discard those "full frame" lenses which they find don't deliver it. Then, depending on what your own standards are, there could be bargains to be had.

12-11-2015, 01:57 PM - 2 Likes	#60
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by pathdoc OTOH those who value corner-to-corner consistency in sharpness could be found rushing to discard those "full frame" lenses which they find don't deliver it. Then, depending on what your own standards are, there could be bargains to be had. lol, math shooters in my opinion. If your more concerned about the corners then your main subject isn't presented properly. I think we forumites get too hung up on the tech. I think we just need to relax and shoot more.