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12-13-2015, 10:40 AM   #76
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QuoteOriginally posted by LesDMess Quote
Better release it ahead of the pack.
That's certainly a good goal, if they have access to the latest tech. And can deploy it affordably. And it's bug-free and reliable.

Rushing too far ahead into the newest 'bleeding edge' tech can often be very risky.

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Rushing too far ahead into the newest 'bleeding edge' tech can often be very risky.
Back in 1861, the Brits built an all iron warship they called "Warrior", and the initial scheme was for her steam propulsion, iron hull and iron armour to be supported by an all-breech-loading armament. However, they relented and gave her a mix of new Armstrong breechloaders and tried-and-true muzzle-loaders. This was just as well, as it turned out that the Armstrong was mechanically unreliable to the point of being unsafe (some of them exploded and killed their crews), and it pushed the Brits back to muzzle-loaders for nearly 20 years.

See also what happened to the USAF and USN in Vietnam, when missiles designed for long range interception against bombers were asked to perform as high-G visual-range dogfight missiles. The only saving grace was that the Phantom could carry eight.
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Was the weather sealing to the same standard as today, though? I don't think there's anyone who's game to try this out, seeing as failure would necessarily involve bricking an LX - and with no more being made (to our knowledge), this is something nobody wants to do if they can help it.
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What standards are you referring to? Keep in mind that the LX has a hybrid shutter and all shutter speeds - sync and above, are fully mechanical and therefore not susceptible to water failure that today's technology bound cameras are. Today's cameras are susceptible to a great variety of external influences far more than an LX and therefore require considerably more weatherproofing. Of course this is just a casual observation from a >30 year test engineer . . .

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That's certainly a good goal, if they have access to the latest tech. And can deploy it affordably. And it's bug-free and reliable.
Given my background, I always take for granted that those are all taken care of before releasing a product.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LesDMess Quote
Unlike the interchangeable viewfinder bodies from Canon, Minolta and Nikon of the same era, Pentax made the LX system weather sealed and production line tested to be so. However, what viewfinders to use is another matter.
On the lenses, WR means Weather-Resistant, giving some protection against incidental moisture penetration. AW, reserved for Star lenses, means All-Weather, and includes a measure of dust resistance and perhaps better moisture protection.

Click Here for the descriptive Lens Brochure

Up to this point Pentax bodies have been described as weather sealed, to keep out environmental moisture and dust. The K-3 uses 92 seals for this. The LX offered "special gaskets to keep out moisture and dust." See page 63 of the brochure, Other Features.

Click Here for the LX Brochure. The password is Pentax.

If you aren't familiar with the LX, read the entire brochure. Imagine a flagship FF camera that duplicates, emulates or improves on the features of the LX in some way. That's the standard Ricoh implies when they feature LX on the Teaser site.

Will the K-1 be even better protected against the elements? Perhaps the K-1 will be designated AW, as is the * lens line.


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Imagine a flagship FF camera that duplicates, emulates or improves on the features of the LX in some way. That's the standard Ricoh implies when they feature LX on the Teaser site.
I thought they merely mentioned their most prominent small format camera to date, no promise made anywhere?
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I thought they merely mentioned their most prominent small format camera to date, no promise made anywhere?
Did I write promise?
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No, just implied
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If you aren't familiar with the LX, read the entire brochure. Imagine a flagship FF camera that duplicates, emulates or improves on the features of the LX in some way. That's the standard Ricoh implies when they feature LX on the Teaser site.
If Ricoh is looking to match the LX release - at the time that Canon and Nikon were about to release their third generation pro camera, then they are aiming very high indeed!

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If Ricoh is looking to match the LX release - at the time that Canon and Nikon were about to release their third generation pro camera, then they are aiming very high indeed!
I guess we'll know in a couple months. I've thought since the first rumors it would be a 645Z-mini, but that's just hopes and dreams. I am convinced it will at worst be a very interesting camera.
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I am convinced it will at worst be a very interesting camera.
At least we know the basic physical design and ergonomics already. It's a traditional DSLR design that looks usable, especially for Pentax folks. Which is OK - we don't need 'interesting' body designs. So the worst is over.
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I've thought since the first rumors it would be a 645Z-mini,
It doesn't need to be that in form, just so long as it matches it in function (i.e. best in class, or with near-equal capabilities at a price that blows the competition away).
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It doesn't need to be that in form, just so long as it matches it in function (i.e. best in class, or with near-equal capabilities at a price that blows the competition away).
I think that's what monochrome meant.
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I thought possibly he was talking about a shrunken down 645Z in all its proportions, which would be a somewhat blockier and less aesthetically or ergonomically pleasing thing than what we have been shown. I think we'll get the essence of it, though.
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