Price for K1 ?

kooks · 12-15-2015, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I believe it will be list priced around $2,500 - near the $2,300 introductory list price of D750, not the current price of the year-old, overstocked camera. D810 is still $2,999 street. A7II is not a competitor.

Im guessing also around the $2500.. maaaaaybe.. $2300.. but dont think so.. that range of prices is not too low.. but not too high.. For the end of the year it might drop to $2000 +/- but wait for another year is not in my plans :/

KDD · 12-15-2015, 01:16 PM

About $7,000 cuz it say 14 years ago.

**Pål Jensen** · 12-16-2015, 07:42 AM

Nothing suggest this camera is going to be cheap. eg the swivel screen seems both complex and expensive. The D810 is obviously the benchmark and I would not expect the camera to be cheaper. It all depends on the sensor, but I would not expect anything cheaper or worse than what Nikon is using.

kooks · 12-16-2015, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Nothing suggest this camera is going to be cheap. eg the swivel screen seems both complex and expensive.

..

I dont expect something cheap either.. but because of the Pentax history i could expect a camera with great features with a good market price.. we can see that in every single Pentax camera. History could change.. but so far ( even with the latest K3ii ) it is not. Also if we look the case of the latest lenses, less than a year after the Lens 150-450mm was released, the price droped from almost $2500 to $1700 in some stores, a much more resonable "Pentax price" IMO.

Last edited by kooks; 12-16-2015 at 11:18 AM.

**Pål Jensen** · 12-16-2015, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by kooks

..

I dont expect something cheap either.. but because of the Pentax history i could expect a camera with great features with a good market price.. we can see that in every single Pentax camera. History could change.. but so far ( even with the latest K3ii ) it is not. Also if we look the case of the latest lenses, less than a year after the Lens 150-450mm was released, the price droped from almost $2500 to $1700 in some stores, a much more resonable "Pentax price" IMO.

The Pentax LX costed the same as the Nikon F3 upon release. Later on it costed the same as a Leica.

Aoresteen · 01-15-2016, 06:52 PM

My benchmark is the Sony A7 II. If it's not priced the same or lower then why buy it? You can put all your M42 & K lenses on the A7 and use them FF. Why buy a K1 for more? The ONLY reason I need (want) a FF digital is to use my wide angle prime lenses as wide angle primes. That requires a FF sensor. The current price for an A7 II body is $1700

Sony a7II Alpha Mirrorless Digital Camera (Alpha a7II Body) ILCE7M2/B

The Canon 6D is $1400. The Nikon D610 is $1500. How the heck is Pentax going to sell a FF for $3K?

**monochrome** · 01-15-2016, 07:02 PM

They will price it to sell all they can make the first 18 months, mid $2000's prob. Then price will gradually decline.

And the initial price will be higher than many think but still good value considering what the camera will be.

**clackers** · 01-15-2016, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Aoresteen

My benchmark is the Sony A7 II. If it's not priced the same or lower then why buy it? You can put all your M42 & K lenses on the A7 and use them FF. Why buy a K1 for more?

???

You lose the auto flash, focus and aperture systems!

I like manual, but not everyone wants to spend $3000 to go back to the Stone Age. 😀

osv · 01-15-2016, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Aoresteen

The Canon 6D is $1400. The Nikon D610 is $1500. How the heck is Pentax going to sell a FF for $3K?

those are 20mp-24mp cameras, the new pentax ff will probably be at least 36mp.

there is a significant performance improvement with the 36-50mp sensors, over those weaker sensors, and all camera manufacturers price accordingly.

Zygonyx · 01-15-2016, 10:55 PM

Lauch price of K-1 is reported by reliable source to be under 2400€ body only.

**filoxophy** · 01-15-2016, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Aoresteen

My benchmark is the Sony A7 II. If it's not priced the same or lower then why buy it? You can put all your M42 & K lenses on the A7 and use them FF. Why buy a K1 for more? The ONLY reason I need (want) a FF digital is to use my wide angle prime lenses as wide angle primes. That requires a FF sensor. The current price for an A7 II body is $1700

Sony a7II Alpha Mirrorless Digital Camera (Alpha a7II Body) ILCE7M2/B

The Canon 6D is $1400. The Nikon D610 is $1500. How the heck is Pentax going to sell a FF for $3K?

Yeah, Ricoh may as well close up shop right now.

Zygonyx · 01-15-2016, 11:27 PM

Definitely not 24Mpix, and definitely not Sony's entry level discounted price...

kooks · 01-15-2016, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Lauch price of K-1 is reported by reliable source to be under 2400€ body only.

Hummm i wonder if that price will be lower in the US... most Pentax stuffs are cheaper in the US than in Europe... so perhaps we are talking about $2400 maybe ??

Aoresteen · 01-16-2016, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by clackers

???

You lose the auto flash, focus and aperture systems!

I like manual, but not everyone wants to spend $3000 to go back to the Stone Age. 😀

The A7 II is not $3000 - it's $1700. The Canon FF 6D is $1400. It's the Pentax FF that will be more expensive.

Look guys, I've used Pentax since 1978. I have 6 Pentax film bodies & 7 lenses. I want Pentax to succeed. But price matters and they need to sell not only to their loyal base but to convert others to join the Pentax camp.

36mp isn't going to make people jump. Price will. Buyers will pay a premium for Nikon/Canon but not for Pentax. Look at the K5 & K3 pricing compared to other APS-C systems. Pentax is not the price leader. They are one of the lower end systems. They are way late into the FF game. If they are priced above $2K for the Pentax FF body they will have disappointing sales.

---------- Post added 01-16-16 at 05:30 AM ----------

Originally posted by filoxophy

Yeah, Ricoh may as well close up shop right now.

No, they will continue with their APS-C cameras and the FF camera. But they are going to have a hard time making sales if they don't price their FF camera below $2K.

Kunzite · 01-16-2016, 05:33 AM

You're not going to convert others by price alone. No matter how cheap they sell, Pentax cannot beat the price of not jumping ship: it costs zero to keep your existing camera.
The next level of cheapness is to be cheaper than everything else out there. It won't work either; there will always be some second hand, twice replaced model, half broken camera on ebay. Oh, and such people won't buy new lenses either; they're cheaper second hand.

So the bright strategy of trying to sell to people without money can't possibly work. Is there an alternative? Yes: sell to people with money. But then, you have to make a compelling product.

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12-15-2015, 01:13 PM	#31
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by monochrome I believe it will be list priced around $2,500 - near the $2,300 introductory list price of D750, not the current price of the year-old, overstocked camera. D810 is still $2,999 street. A7II is not a competitor. Im guessing also around the $2500.. maaaaaybe.. $2300.. but dont think so.. that range of prices is not too low.. but not too high.. For the end of the year it might drop to $2000 +/- but wait for another year is not in my plans :/

12-15-2015, 01:16 PM	#32
KDD Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 403	About $7,000 cuz it say 14 years ago.

12-16-2015, 07:42 AM	#33
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Nothing suggest this camera is going to be cheap. eg the swivel screen seems both complex and expensive. The D810 is obviously the benchmark and I would not expect the camera to be cheaper. It all depends on the sensor, but I would not expect anything cheaper or worse than what Nikon is using.

12-16-2015, 11:09 AM	#34
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Nothing suggest this camera is going to be cheap. eg the swivel screen seems both complex and expensive. .. I dont expect something cheap either.. but because of the Pentax history i could expect a camera with great features with a good market price.. we can see that in every single Pentax camera. History could change.. but so far ( even with the latest K3ii ) it is not. Also if we look the case of the latest lenses, less than a year after the Lens 150-450mm was released, the price droped from almost $2500 to $1700 in some stores, a much more resonable "Pentax price" IMO. Last edited by kooks; 12-16-2015 at 11:18 AM.

12-16-2015, 12:00 PM	#35
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by kooks .. I dont expect something cheap either.. but because of the Pentax history i could expect a camera with great features with a good market price.. we can see that in every single Pentax camera. History could change.. but so far ( even with the latest K3ii ) it is not. Also if we look the case of the latest lenses, less than a year after the Lens 150-450mm was released, the price droped from almost $2500 to $1700 in some stores, a much more resonable "Pentax price" IMO. The Pentax LX costed the same as the Nikon F3 upon release. Later on it costed the same as a Leica.

01-15-2016, 06:52 PM	#36
Aoresteen Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 55	My benchmark is the Sony A7 II. If it's not priced the same or lower then why buy it? You can put all your M42 & K lenses on the A7 and use them FF. Why buy a K1 for more? The ONLY reason I need (want) a FF digital is to use my wide angle prime lenses as wide angle primes. That requires a FF sensor. The current price for an A7 II body is $1700 Sony a7II Alpha Mirrorless Digital Camera (Alpha a7II Body) ILCE7M2/B The Canon 6D is $1400. The Nikon D610 is $1500. How the heck is Pentax going to sell a FF for $3K?

01-15-2016, 07:02 PM	#37
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	They will price it to sell all they can make the first 18 months, mid $2000's prob. Then price will gradually decline. And the initial price will be higher than many think but still good value considering what the camera will be.

01-15-2016, 07:03 PM	#38
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Aoresteen My benchmark is the Sony A7 II. If it's not priced the same or lower then why buy it? You can put all your M42 & K lenses on the A7 and use them FF. Why buy a K1 for more? ??? You lose the auto flash, focus and aperture systems! I like manual, but not everyone wants to spend $3000 to go back to the Stone Age. 😀

01-15-2016, 08:49 PM	#39
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by Aoresteen The Canon 6D is $1400. The Nikon D610 is $1500. How the heck is Pentax going to sell a FF for $3K? those are 20mp-24mp cameras, the new pentax ff will probably be at least 36mp. there is a significant performance improvement with the 36-50mp sensors, over those weaker sensors, and all camera manufacturers price accordingly.

01-15-2016, 10:55 PM	#40
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Lauch price of K-1 is reported by reliable source to be under 2400€ body only.

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01-15-2016, 11:16 PM	#41
filoxophy Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,132	Originally posted by Aoresteen My benchmark is the Sony A7 II. If it's not priced the same or lower then why buy it? You can put all your M42 & K lenses on the A7 and use them FF. Why buy a K1 for more? The ONLY reason I need (want) a FF digital is to use my wide angle prime lenses as wide angle primes. That requires a FF sensor. The current price for an A7 II body is $1700 Sony a7II Alpha Mirrorless Digital Camera (Alpha a7II Body) ILCE7M2/B The Canon 6D is $1400. The Nikon D610 is $1500. How the heck is Pentax going to sell a FF for $3K? Yeah, Ricoh may as well close up shop right now.

01-15-2016, 11:27 PM	#42
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Definitely not 24Mpix, and definitely not Sony's entry level discounted price...

01-15-2016, 11:33 PM	#43
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by Zygonyx Lauch price of K-1 is reported by reliable source to be under 2400€ body only. Hummm i wonder if that price will be lower in the US... most Pentax stuffs are cheaper in the US than in Europe... so perhaps we are talking about $2400 maybe ??

01-16-2016, 05:27 AM	#44
Aoresteen Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 55	Originally posted by clackers ??? You lose the auto flash, focus and aperture systems! I like manual, but not everyone wants to spend $3000 to go back to the Stone Age. 😀 The A7 II is not $3000 - it's $1700. The Canon FF 6D is $1400. It's the Pentax FF that will be more expensive. Look guys, I've used Pentax since 1978. I have 6 Pentax film bodies & 7 lenses. I want Pentax to succeed. But price matters and they need to sell not only to their loyal base but to convert others to join the Pentax camp. 36mp isn't going to make people jump. Price will. Buyers will pay a premium for Nikon/Canon but not for Pentax. Look at the K5 & K3 pricing compared to other APS-C systems. Pentax is not the price leader. They are one of the lower end systems. They are way late into the FF game. If they are priced above $2K for the Pentax FF body they will have disappointing sales. ---------- Post added 01-16-16 at 05:30 AM ---------- Originally posted by filoxophy Yeah, Ricoh may as well close up shop right now. No, they will continue with their APS-C cameras and the FF camera. But they are going to have a hard time making sales if they don't price their FF camera below $2K.

01-16-2016, 05:33 AM	#45
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	You're not going to convert others by price alone. No matter how cheap they sell, Pentax cannot beat the price of not jumping ship: it costs zero to keep your existing camera. The next level of cheapness is to be cheaper than everything else out there. It won't work either; there will always be some second hand, twice replaced model, half broken camera on ebay. Oh, and such people won't buy new lenses either; they're cheaper second hand. So the bright strategy of trying to sell to people without money can't possibly work. Is there an alternative? Yes: sell to people with money. But then, you have to make a compelling product.