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12-25-2015, 01:13 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by dawaylong Quote
Considering a Nikon D750 at 1400 (gray market), certified sellers around $1800, any price above 2K would kill the sale!
Though I still have several lenses, price definitely would be a BIG BIG factor for me to stay or out!
My guess for price range has been in the low $2K range.

Here is the logic. Now that we are comparing Pentax to Nikon prices, Pentax has always been cheaper than a similarly specified Nikon. For instance, the K3II is at $729 at B@H and Nikon 7200 is at $1,100. Pentax comes in at 66% of the Nikon. Now assuming that the K1 will be compared to the Nikon D810 which had an intro price of $3,300, that would place the 36MP K1 at approx. $2,200. If the K1 ends up having a 42MP sensor, then my guess is that it could be as high as $2,600.

A 42MP Pentax K1 starts competing with the Sony A7RII which had an intro price of $3,200. The Sony has always had better video and being a mirrorless, a lot more lens options and other goodies that Pentax cannot touch. My guess is that if Pentax 42MP starts competing with the Sony, then we might see a 42MP K1 as low as $2,200.

All these calculations and logic aside, my gut feeling is that we will see the K1 below $2K, perhaps at $1,799!

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If they did a 42 mp K1 with the features I want then priced it for 1799 I'd pre-order it.
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If they did a 42 mp K1 with the features I want then priced it for 1799 I'd pre-order it.
I would pre order it even if it was priced at $2,400. Heck, if it was priced at $1,799, I might order two!!
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QuoteOriginally posted by btnapa Quote
For instance, the K3II is at $729 at B@H and Nikon 7200 is at $1,100.
Not sure where you pick your numbers, from the internet you can find any number you want.

List Price:
Nikon D7200 = $1,195
Pentax k-3 = $1,295
Pentax k-3II = $1,095

So list price of k-3 was 8% higher than d7200 and k-3II was 9% less.

Market price? That is driven by time, demand and advertising. It appears that Nikon is able (or MUST) keep the price up after release. Pentax has consistently moved the price lower after introduction.

Based on these numbers the K-1 will have a list price of $3,299 +/- 10%. And since there is an unfulfilled demand I would expect prices to hold steady longer than many expect. All of this just speculation, and wishful thinking by many. But everything we actually KNOW, rather than guess is that Pentax is aiming for the high end, pro market with eventually a full system to match. They also seem to be able to be profitable at far lower volumes than Canon/Nikon require. Releasing a FF at a killer price would generate higher unit sales, which does not seem to be RIcoh's philosophy. There is no need or perhaps it is not even possible given their manufacturing capacity to try for high unit sales.

Perhaps I am completely wrong, but I would rather be pleasantly surprised than have to read through all the PentaxIsDooomed™ posts because wishful fantasies had the price too low.

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Prices I quoted are current selling prices at BHphotovideo

They have to price it such that they make money first. However, they have to take pressure from competitors, namely Sony, into consideration. No Pentax gloom-n-doom in my house. Historically Pentax video has been sub par compared to other similarly specified cameras but the still image quality more than makes up for it. I want excellent still image quality and Pentax has delivered at killer low prices.

I really think we are going to see an unbelievably low price for the K1.

I am not worried about production capacity. The Pentax user base is small compared to the other guys. I do not expect Canonikons to jump ship to Pentax. I think Pentax's first priority is to stop the bleeding (people jumping ship for FF with other brands) first.
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I dont expect a sub $2000 price.. not at all, especially if is a 36MP ( or more ) sensor.. I could expect something between $2300 - $2500.
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Look at the cost of the lenses for this camera. This is a big boy camera, it would be wise to quit dreaming about little boy prices.

The market for this camera are the guys like the guy I met yesterday at BIrd Kingdom. He was shooting with an A7r, but, he looked at my Pentax and said " I shot Pentax up until 12 years ago, and I still have all my led Pentax gear. I'm just waiting for the FF to come out." A high percentage of adopters are going to be guys like him. Everyone for some reason wants to assume, Pentax is going to have to compete with everyone else. This camera is going to fulfill a need for existing users out there in th Pentax community, it would be nice if it competed with everyone else, but it certainly doesn't have to. This guy has a full pro kit just waiting for a body. For him it would be a steal at $3k.
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QuoteOriginally posted by btnapa Quote
I really think we are going to see an unbelievably low price for the K1.
I really think we are going to see an introductory list price of $3,000+.
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I think Pentax's first priority is to stop the bleeding (people jumping ship for FF with other brands) first.
That ship sailed years ago.
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I am not worried about production capacity.
You don't have to, Ricoh does. They do not appear to have much excess capacity. That is not bad really, as we are in a shrinking market. Those with large capacity that need to be paid for or kept running are at a disadvantage in this market. Ricoh just needs to sell as much as they can make, at the highest possible price. And with limited production capacity there is no incentive to under-price anyone. Note how they have priced all recent introductions. All have been priced very close, sometimes above the comparable equipment from the competition. Then the price has been dropped to move product at the rate they want. This tells me they are setting the list price far above where they need to be to be profitable, getting the best margins they can and then dropping the price to move the inventory out on schedule for the next product.

It is all great fun to want a $1,799 FF Pentax. But this is IMHO just a fantasy. Maybe I am wrong, after all no one but Ricoh knows. But when I see wishful thinking on one side of an argument and facts pointing the other way on the other I go with facts. At $1,799 I will pre-order one. At $2,000 I will almost certainly pre-order. Above that? I will have save some more. And I think I will need to save a lot.

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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
I'm just waiting for the FF to come out." A high percentage of adopters are going to be guys like him. Everyone for some reason wants to assume, Pentax is going to have to compete with everyone else. This camera is going to fulfill a need for existing users out there in th Pentax community, it would be nice if it competed with everyone else, but it certainly doesn't have to. This guy has a full pro kit just waiting for a body. For him it would be a steal at $3k.
Exactly. Ricoh knows this. They can run the line for months and months just to fulfill the pent up demand of guys with a full kit of FF glass sitting on the shelf.

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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
Look at the cost of the lenses for this camera.
well.. Pentax 24-70 is $1295 and Nikon is $2395, Canon is $1800 .. and lets remember that the 150-450 dropped from $2500 to $1600 .. so lenses cost are kind of tricky.. yes they are more expensive than what pentaxians are used to.. but still below of that Canikons have..
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For the people who want to buy a FF "Right now at this very moment!" for 2g's or less, might as well just get a Nikon's D610 or D750 or Canon's 6D because those are the only FF's out now currently under 2k.

As I see it, Pentax isn't going to release a "Pro Full Frame DSLR" camera that's "Comparable to mid/high-end XYZ Camera by XYZ Camera Maker" for 2g or less anytime soon, especially if it's going to be 36MP's or more. It's more likely to be at least 3G's+ when first released, then lower to mid-2G's after about a year or so.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
That ship sailed years ago.
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QuoteOriginally posted by btnapa Quote
I am not worried about production capacity. The Pentax user base is small compared to the other guys.
Sure, the K-1 and the FF lenses doesn't mean they'll suddenly jump to Canikon production volumes. A small increase in production is manageable, no worries here.
FTR, Ricoh planned for this fiscal year about 55 million USD to "Increase production of digital cameras ,etc. ".

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QuoteOriginally posted by kooks Quote
Pentax 24-70 is $1295 and Nikon is $2395, Canon is $1800 .
The "Pentax" 24-70 is a Tamron and everyone knows that. And it is priced comparably with Tamron 24-70 for other brands. If it had a * maybe they would price it the same as Canon 'L' but they can hardly do that when it is so easy to compare to the Tamron price for lenses for other mounts.

The *70-200 will be what should be compared to Canon 'L'.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
The "Pentax" 24-70 is a Tamron and everyone knows that. And it is priced comparably with Tamron 24-70 for other brands. If it had a * maybe they would price it the same as Canon 'L' but they can hardly do that when it is so easy to compare to the Tamron price for lenses for other mounts.

The *70-200 will be what should be compared to Canon 'L'.
In fact it is a "tamron" close brother.. and that is my point, we cant judge the camera price by the current lenses price 'cuz that is not going to give us a clue about the real price.
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In fact it is a "tamron" close brother.. and that is my point, we cant judge the camera price by the current lenses price 'cuz that is not going to give us a clue about the real price.
You've been walking that dog an awfully long time. Let's just stop until CP+.

They're not building * lenses to stick on a pedestrian $2,000 camera. Done and done.
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No one knows the price. No one will know the price until possibly February at CP+.
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