Using FF alongside aps-c. Your plan?

Sandy Hancock · 12-29-2015, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by kooks

as long as I know.. a new ultra-wide angle is coming really soon.. could be a rebadge Tamron 15-30

Yes, that is quite widely acknowledged. If it stacks up against the two limiteds for flare resistance it would be quite remarkable.

kooks · 12-29-2015, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Yes, that is quite widely acknowledged. If it stacks up against the two limiteds for flare resistance it would be quite remarkable.

I think that sthe only lens besides the one that I already have that I will buy at some point.. well that one and also depends how good the new 70-200 will perform i might change my Tamron.. but so far im happy with it.

ChatMechant · 12-30-2015, 09:13 AM

I guess in the end I'll have to wait and see. Maybe the K-1 will make me want to ditch the k-3, or maybe I'll realize that I don't need (or want) a FF. Ok, I totally want a FF, but 2k can buy a lot of ice cream sandwiches. And those, I need.

pathdoc · 12-30-2015, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Ok, I totally want a FF, but 2k can buy a lot of ice cream sandwiches. And those, I need.

Depending on the ice cream sandwich, it might buy you 600 to 1000, perhaps more if they are discount or boxed from the supermarket. Let's say one a day for three years. Think of the fun you could have with a full-frame Pentax camera every day for three years, before selling it on to somebody who couldn't afford a new one. You cannot sell your ice cream sandwiches once they are used. Well... perhaps you can, after a fashion, but I don't ever want to go to the places on the internet that some of those people hang out.

normhead · 12-30-2015, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by kooks

My plan is to move everything to the FF system and use crop mode in order to get some reach if I need it.

You get exactly the same reach, you just crop before you snap instead of after. With a K-3 you get more reach. But ya, if you're using a 16 MP sensor, that makes sense. A 16 MP sensor really doesn't give you anything over a 36 MP 35x23 sensor in crop mode.

aurele · 12-30-2015, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by ChatMechant

My lens lineup right now is 15, 31, 77 and DA300. Rounding out with the M20, 43 and FA 135 eventually. Except for the 15, they're all FF compatible, but also very nice on aps-c. I'll probably ditch the 15 once I have the FF, but plan to use all those lenses equally on aps-c as much as FF.
My other idea was to use the 300 and 50-135 for the k-3 and then the m20, 31, 43 and 77 for the k-1. Does that make more sense?
Either way, my pack is going to get a lot heavier.....

As i shoot film as often i shoot digital, i think i will go on FF only : only one set of lenses instead of 2.

Keep in mind that the FL i use the most so far is the 55mm and 75-150 on APS-C. So my kit will be pretty much light.

i don't really need f2.8 lens, if i can find a very good f4 wide open.

And in fact, i don't care about the weight : i often use my P6x7 with the 105, creating a whooping weight of "only" 2.5 kg

normhead · 12-30-2015, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by aurele

As i shoot film as often i shoot digital, i think i will go on FF only : only one set of lenses instead of 2.

Keep in mind that the FL i use the most so far is the 55mm and 75-150 on APS-C. So my kit will be pretty much light.

i don't really need f2.8 lens, if i can find a very good f4 wide open.

And in fact, i don't care about the weight : i often use my P6x7 with the 105, creating a whooping weight of "only" 2.5 kg

I should be a young as you...

aurele · 12-30-2015, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by normhead

I should be a young as you...

HA HA

Sometimes, i can feel getting older, especially after 3 or 4 days doing somes rock climbing shoots, hanging in a harness. That's the moment when i think "fu** it ! it used to be easier to go up !"

normhead · 12-30-2015, 12:29 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by aurele

HA HA

Sometimes, i can feel getting older, especially after 3 or 4 days doing somes rock climbing shoots, hanging in a harness. That's the moment when i think "fu** it ! it used to be easier to go up !"

My body is going to hurt for two days, just because I looked at that picture.

---------- Post added 12-30-15 at 03:00 PM ----------

OK, you have to see this guy's work....
https://www.facebook.com/mott.blog/photos/a.357448734279160.89960.1938638106...type=3&theater

For those of you who don't have Facebook, I'll post a few.

mikeSF · 12-30-2015, 01:48 PM

Though I will be excited to hear about the new FF, I have decided not to partake. I will be using the 645Z for my landscapes and the K3II for astro, long tele, and walkaround shooting.

zzeitg · 12-30-2015, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by normhead

For those of you who don't have Facebook, I'll post a few.

Who said that wedding photography is boring?

bilybianca · 12-30-2015, 03:37 PM

My "plan" (as if I had one!) is to buy the K1 when the price comes down a bit some months after the introduction. Then I'll use that one as the main camera, and just bring the K5 when there is a point in having two bodies with different lenses mounted (concerts, shows). Or maybe when I bring a camera just in case, if the K1 proves to be a too heavy s.o.b. to lug around just for "if..."
I want the ff body mainly for these two reasons: easier to focus manually with a bigger wf, and the wider fov with wa lenses. Nearly all of my lenses are ff, I only have two DA's.
If I want "the longer reach of aps-c" I'll crop in post. Other than size and weight I can't see any advantage with aps-c.

Kjell

indy · 12-30-2015, 07:33 PM - **1 Like**

I plan to slip my GR in the bag with the FF. That's my idea of FF+1! I would never consider maintaining 2 systems.

kooks · 12-30-2015, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by normhead

You get exactly the same reach, you just crop before you snap instead of after. With a K-3 you get more reach. But ya, if you're using a 16 MP sensor, that makes sense. A 16 MP sensor really doesn't give you anything over a 36 MP 35x23 sensor in crop mode.

Yeah.. well what i meant was that with the crop mode because the frame gets croped you get the illusion of more "reach" incamera.. but ofcourse we can crop the images after, but in my case i dont plan to use that much more.. with the only APS-C lens that i have left ( 10-17 ) i can use it at 15mm as an ultra wide lens.. or even at 17mm and it will work fine.

jsherman999 · 12-31-2015, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by ChatMechant

My other idea was to use the 300 and 50-135 for the k-3 and then the m20, 31, 43 and 77 for the k-1. Does that make more sense?
Either way, my pack is going to get a lot heavier.....

Why not just shoot the 300 & 50-135 in crop mode on the 36MP FF? That way you only need to carry one body.

Your output in crop mode is going to be as good as the K5 output in resolution, DR, and noise, and about as good as the native K3 output in everything but resolution, and you'll have to decide if your prints will be huge enough to require all the K3 MP in the frame.

You can think of it this way - the FF camera contains a full K5 inside it, only a wheel-flip away

.

12-30-2015, 12:29 PM - 4 Likes	#24
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by aurele HA HA Sometimes, i can feel getting older, especially after 3 or 4 days doing somes rock climbing shoots, hanging in a harness. That's the moment when i think "fu** it ! it used to be easier to go up !" My body is going to hurt for two days, just because I looked at that picture. ---------- Post added 12-30-15 at 03:00 PM ---------- OK, you have to see this guy's work.... https://www.facebook.com/mott.blog/photos/a.357448734279160.89960.1938638106...type=3&theater For those of you who don't have Facebook, I'll post a few. Last edited by normhead; 12-30-2015 at 01:20 PM.

12-31-2015, 12:48 PM	#30
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	just use crop mode? 36MP gives you a K5 in there Originally posted by ChatMechant My other idea was to use the 300 and 50-135 for the k-3 and then the m20, 31, 43 and 77 for the k-1. Does that make more sense? Either way, my pack is going to get a lot heavier..... Why not just shoot the 300 & 50-135 in crop mode on the 36MP FF? That way you only need to carry one body. Your output in crop mode is going to be as good as the K5 output in resolution, DR, and noise, and about as good as the native K3 output in everything but resolution, and you'll have to decide if your prints will be huge enough to require all the K3 MP in the frame. You can think of it this way - the FF camera contains a full K5 inside it, only a wheel-flip away .

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12-29-2015, 05:04 PM	#16
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,275	Originally posted by kooks as long as I know.. a new ultra-wide angle is coming really soon.. could be a rebadge Tamron 15-30 Yes, that is quite widely acknowledged. If it stacks up against the two limiteds for flare resistance it would be quite remarkable.

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kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Yes, that is quite widely acknowledged. If it stacks up against the two limiteds for flare resistance it would be quite remarkable. I think that sthe only lens besides the one that I already have that I will buy at some point.. well that one and also depends how good the new 70-200 will perform i might change my Tamron.. but so far im happy with it.

12-30-2015, 09:13 AM	#18
ChatMechant Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Matsuyama Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,284 Original Poster	I guess in the end I'll have to wait and see. Maybe the K-1 will make me want to ditch the k-3, or maybe I'll realize that I don't need (or want) a FF. Ok, I totally want a FF, but 2k can buy a lot of ice cream sandwiches. And those, I need.

12-30-2015, 09:37 AM	#19
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Quote: Ok, I totally want a FF, but 2k can buy a lot of ice cream sandwiches. And those, I need. Depending on the ice cream sandwich, it might buy you 600 to 1000, perhaps more if they are discount or boxed from the supermarket. Let's say one a day for three years. Think of the fun you could have with a full-frame Pentax camera every day for three years, before selling it on to somebody who couldn't afford a new one. You cannot sell your ice cream sandwiches once they are used. Well... perhaps you can, after a fashion, but I don't ever want to go to the places on the internet that some of those people hang out.

12-30-2015, 09:45 AM	#20
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by kooks My plan is to move everything to the FF system and use crop mode in order to get some reach if I need it. You get exactly the same reach, you just crop before you snap instead of after. With a K-3 you get more reach. But ya, if you're using a 16 MP sensor, that makes sense. A 16 MP sensor really doesn't give you anything over a 36 MP 35x23 sensor in crop mode.

12-30-2015, 11:16 AM	#21
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by ChatMechant My lens lineup right now is 15, 31, 77 and DA300. Rounding out with the M20, 43 and FA 135 eventually. Except for the 15, they're all FF compatible, but also very nice on aps-c. I'll probably ditch the 15 once I have the FF, but plan to use all those lenses equally on aps-c as much as FF. My other idea was to use the 300 and 50-135 for the k-3 and then the m20, 31, 43 and 77 for the k-1. Does that make more sense? Either way, my pack is going to get a lot heavier..... As i shoot film as often i shoot digital, i think i will go on FF only : only one set of lenses instead of 2. Keep in mind that the FL i use the most so far is the 55mm and 75-150 on APS-C. So my kit will be pretty much light. i don't really need f2.8 lens, if i can find a very good f4 wide open. And in fact, i don't care about the weight : i often use my P6x7 with the 105, creating a whooping weight of "only" 2.5 kg

12-30-2015, 11:27 AM	#22
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by aurele As i shoot film as often i shoot digital, i think i will go on FF only : only one set of lenses instead of 2. Keep in mind that the FL i use the most so far is the 55mm and 75-150 on APS-C. So my kit will be pretty much light. i don't really need f2.8 lens, if i can find a very good f4 wide open. And in fact, i don't care about the weight : i often use my P6x7 with the 105, creating a whooping weight of "only" 2.5 kg I should be a young as you...

12-30-2015, 11:41 AM	#23
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by normhead I should be a young as you... HA HA Sometimes, i can feel getting older, especially after 3 or 4 days doing somes rock climbing shoots, hanging in a harness. That's the moment when i think "fu** it ! it used to be easier to go up !"

12-30-2015, 01:48 PM	#25
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,622	Though I will be excited to hear about the new FF, I have decided not to partake. I will be using the 645Z for my landscapes and the K3II for astro, long tele, and walkaround shooting.

12-30-2015, 01:54 PM	#26
zzeitg Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: South Bohemia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,017	Originally posted by normhead For those of you who don't have Facebook, I'll post a few. Who said that wedding photography is boring?

12-30-2015, 03:37 PM	#27
bilybianca Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hassleholm, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 334	My "plan" (as if I had one!) is to buy the K1 when the price comes down a bit some months after the introduction. Then I'll use that one as the main camera, and just bring the K5 when there is a point in having two bodies with different lenses mounted (concerts, shows). Or maybe when I bring a camera just in case, if the K1 proves to be a too heavy s.o.b. to lug around just for "if..." I want the ff body mainly for these two reasons: easier to focus manually with a bigger wf, and the wider fov with wa lenses. Nearly all of my lenses are ff, I only have two DA's. If I want "the longer reach of aps-c" I'll crop in post. Other than size and weight I can't see any advantage with aps-c. Kjell

12-30-2015, 07:33 PM - 1 Like	#28
indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Photos: Gallery Posts: 274	I plan to slip my GR in the bag with the FF. That's my idea of FF+1! I would never consider maintaining 2 systems.

12-30-2015, 08:29 PM	#29
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by normhead You get exactly the same reach, you just crop before you snap instead of after. With a K-3 you get more reach. But ya, if you're using a 16 MP sensor, that makes sense. A 16 MP sensor really doesn't give you anything over a 36 MP 35x23 sensor in crop mode. Yeah.. well what i meant was that with the crop mode because the frame gets croped you get the illusion of more "reach" incamera.. but ofcourse we can crop the images after, but in my case i dont plan to use that much more.. with the only APS-C lens that i have left ( 10-17 ) i can use it at 15mm as an ultra wide lens.. or even at 17mm and it will work fine.