Pentax Full Frame is on Reserve for $500!

kp0c · 01-03-2016, 10:41 AM

Why is it so easy to rationalize what we would really like to be true even though it's impossible? At 1000$, full frame would definitely be within reach!

BrianR · 01-03-2016, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Barebone? This?)

Hard to tell. The dials may just be for self esteem at gatherings with other photographers and they actually do nothing. I see 14(?) modes on the dial but maybe they are really all just Bulb mode. You want 1/1000s of a second? Hope you were good at the Track & Field arcade game, 'cuz you'll have to press that shutter button really fast. Bare bones baby. Bare bones.

scwinn · 01-03-2016, 12:14 PM

I didn't necessarily believe the price point myself.... but that is what the sales guy said they "expected". They are a pretty reputable store. Even if the store is off by 25% the K-1 is a super deal!!! Let's face facts.... Ricoh is a bigger and richer company than any company that has owned Pentax before and R&D from what I can see is not being spared. There are new products coming out on a regular basis and recent products show excellent engineering. Heck I dumped a thousand dollars of Nikon stuff for my K-50.

The K-1 is a huge step forward for Pentax at any price under $1,500 USD, and since it looks like the camera will be under that price point, the K-1 may just be the big step forward we are all looking for.

**monochrome** · 01-03-2016, 12:33 PM

No. It. Isn't.

Kunzite · 01-03-2016, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by scwinn

The K-1 is a huge step forward for Pentax at any price under $1,500 USD, and since it looks like the camera will be under that price point, the K-1 may just be the big step forward we are all looking for.

Wrong on all counts.
And the store is not reputable at all (not in matters regarding Pentax, anyway) if they didn't knew better.

pathdoc · 01-03-2016, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by scwinn

The K-1 is a huge step forward for Pentax at any price under $1,500 USD

The K-1 would be instant death for SoCaNikon at that price point.

Originally posted by scwinn

and since it looks like the camera will be under that price point

Unfortunately I very much doubt that - I know we all want it to be that cheap, and it would be marvellous if it were, BUT... I stand by my opening statement that I strongly suspect there's been a misprint (e.g. reversal) there and that $2100-ish Canadian rather than $1200-ish will be far closer to the truth.

BrianR · 01-03-2016, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by pathdoc

... and that $2100-ish Canadian rather than $1200-ish will be far closer to the truth.

That's still only, what, $91-ish US?

(ok, closer to $1500 US, which I think would still be a very pleasant shock

)

**monochrome** · 01-03-2016, 05:29 PM

This is intentional disinformation meant to create disappointment when the actual price is revealed in just a few weeks.

normhead · 01-03-2016, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

This is intentional disinformation meant to create disappointment when the actual price is revealed in just a few weeks.

There's sure to be some whining and crying and gnashing of teeth., now that expectations have been lowered or raised, depending on how you look at it.

It's funny, if I were switching brands I would buy a D810, not a D750, not a D610, no Canon 6D, not a Sony A-7. So, that's kind of what I'm looking for only in a Pentax mount. Some people expect a D810 at less than a Canon 6D price. I wonder why Nikon hasn't done that? They're using several year old technology, they have all the advantages of volume buying, the costs of every part in that camera, have long ago paid off their development costs, yet, it's still $3000 dollars. Why? You guys do understand that the first 10,000 buyers are going to pay off a huge portion of the development costs for this camera?

Let's have a lynch mob.

beholder3 · 01-03-2016, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

This is intentional disinformation meant to create disappointment when the actual price is revealed in just a few weeks.

Any person over the age of 18 years who wants to buy this type of camera and actually believes any child who suggests the camera will hit the shelf significantly below $2.500 has proven to be deserving more than a little bit educational disappointment.

normhead · 01-03-2016, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by beholder3

Any person over the age of 18 years who wants to buy this type of camera and actually believes any child who suggests the camera will hit the shelf significantly below $2.500 has proven to be deserving more than a little bit educational disappointment.

But it is good day dream material though.

bertwert · 01-04-2016, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by bxf

He just told you he doesn't care. Jeez!

What is PF without argument though?

kooks · 01-04-2016, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by normhead

I wonder why Nikon hasn't done that?

Also because they have the users base to keep buying the product at a regular price.

normhead · 01-04-2016, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by kooks

Also because they have the users base to keep buying the product at a regular price.

I think there could possibly be other reasons, like the cost of production, and the distribution channels. Even if you can make a camera for free, there are still going to be many costs associated with getting it to market. And they don't make them for free.

This is an area of closely guarded trade secrets. If the buyer could actually determine what the cheapest price you could sell the camera for, everyone would want that price, to the detriment of camera companies, retail outlets and sooner or later the consumer. If selling the D810 at $3000 makes Nikon happy, most of us want Pentax to be just as happy. If they can find a way to undercut costs and lower the price, then more power too them. But lets not bank on it.

reeftool · 01-05-2016, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by normhead

There's sure to be some whining and crying and gnashing of teeth., now that expectations have been lowered or raised, depending on how you look at it.

It's funny, if I were switching brands I would buy a D810, not a D750, not a D610, no Canon 6D, not a Sony A-7. So, that's kind of what I'm looking for only in a Pentax mount. Some people expect a D810 at less than a Canon 6D price. I wonder why Nikon hasn't done that? They're using several year old technology, they have all the advantages of volume buying, the costs of every part in that camera, have long ago paid off their development costs, yet, it's still $3000 dollars. Why? You guys do understand that the first 10,000 buyers are going to pay off a huge portion of the development costs for this camera?

Let's have a lynch mob.

Electronics are cheap. Most of the cost is R&D. Thing is, most current cameras in everybody's line up is more or less based on a previous model so a lot of the innards are all the same. They could probably sell FF bodies for $1000 and still turn a decent profit but that would be disruptive and none of the manufacturers are going to do that. Pentax, in recent years, has been the most disruptive. The K10D was almost half the price of the D200 and pretty much matched it in features. The K20D was the same camera with a different sensor and software. I'll bet they turned some awesome profits on that one. Lenses have a lot of labor involved so the prices are understandable. Bodies? I think we're getting ripped off! They're mostly 3D printed plastic and metal with mass produced electronics inside. My old Spotmatic, with lots of mechanical and moving parts, probably cost far more to design and manufacture.

01-03-2016, 12:14 PM	#48
scwinn New Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Montreal Posts: 18 Original Poster	I didn't necessarily believe the price point myself.... but that is what the sales guy said they "expected". They are a pretty reputable store. Even if the store is off by 25% the K-1 is a super deal!!! Let's face facts.... Ricoh is a bigger and richer company than any company that has owned Pentax before and R&D from what I can see is not being spared. There are new products coming out on a regular basis and recent products show excellent engineering. Heck I dumped a thousand dollars of Nikon stuff for my K-50. The K-1 is a huge step forward for Pentax at any price under $1,500 USD, and since it looks like the camera will be under that price point, the K-1 may just be the big step forward we are all looking for. Last edited by scwinn; 01-03-2016 at 12:21 PM.

01-03-2016, 04:13 PM	#52
BrianR Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,332	Originally posted by pathdoc ... and that $2100-ish Canadian rather than $1200-ish will be far closer to the truth. That's still only, what, $91-ish US? (ok, closer to $1500 US, which I think would still be a very pleasant shock)

01-03-2016, 06:08 PM	#54
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by monochrome This is intentional disinformation meant to create disappointment when the actual price is revealed in just a few weeks. There's sure to be some whining and crying and gnashing of teeth., now that expectations have been lowered or raised, depending on how you look at it. It's funny, if I were switching brands I would buy a D810, not a D750, not a D610, no Canon 6D, not a Sony A-7. So, that's kind of what I'm looking for only in a Pentax mount. Some people expect a D810 at less than a Canon 6D price. I wonder why Nikon hasn't done that? They're using several year old technology, they have all the advantages of volume buying, the costs of every part in that camera, have long ago paid off their development costs, yet, it's still $3000 dollars. Why? You guys do understand that the first 10,000 buyers are going to pay off a huge portion of the development costs for this camera? Let's have a lynch mob. Last edited by normhead; 01-03-2016 at 06:18 PM.

01-04-2016, 10:25 AM	#59
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by kooks Also because they have the users base to keep buying the product at a regular price. I think there could possibly be other reasons, like the cost of production, and the distribution channels. Even if you can make a camera for free, there are still going to be many costs associated with getting it to market. And they don't make them for free. This is an area of closely guarded trade secrets. If the buyer could actually determine what the cheapest price you could sell the camera for, everyone would want that price, to the detriment of camera companies, retail outlets and sooner or later the consumer. If selling the D810 at $3000 makes Nikon happy, most of us want Pentax to be just as happy. If they can find a way to undercut costs and lower the price, then more power too them. But lets not bank on it. Last edited by normhead; 01-04-2016 at 10:31 AM.

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01-03-2016, 10:41 AM	#46
kp0c Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery Posts: 761	Why is it so easy to rationalize what we would really like to be true even though it's impossible? At 1000$, full frame would definitely be within reach!

01-03-2016, 11:18 AM	#47
BrianR Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,332	Originally posted by Kunzite Barebone? This?) Hard to tell. The dials may just be for self esteem at gatherings with other photographers and they actually do nothing. I see 14(?) modes on the dial but maybe they are really all just Bulb mode. You want 1/1000s of a second? Hope you were good at the Track & Field arcade game, 'cuz you'll have to press that shutter button really fast. Bare bones baby. Bare bones.

01-03-2016, 12:33 PM	#49
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	No. It. Isn't.

01-03-2016, 01:14 PM	#50
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by scwinn The K-1 is a huge step forward for Pentax at any price under $1,500 USD, and since it looks like the camera will be under that price point, the K-1 may just be the big step forward we are all looking for. Wrong on all counts. And the store is not reputable at all (not in matters regarding Pentax, anyway) if they didn't knew better.

01-03-2016, 04:03 PM	#51
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by scwinn The K-1 is a huge step forward for Pentax at any price under $1,500 USD The K-1 would be instant death for SoCaNikon at that price point. Originally posted by scwinn and since it looks like the camera will be under that price point Unfortunately I very much doubt that - I know we all want it to be that cheap, and it would be marvellous if it were, BUT... I stand by my opening statement that I strongly suspect there's been a misprint (e.g. reversal) there and that $2100-ish Canadian rather than $1200-ish will be far closer to the truth.

01-03-2016, 05:29 PM	#53
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	This is intentional disinformation meant to create disappointment when the actual price is revealed in just a few weeks.

01-03-2016, 06:37 PM	#55
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by monochrome This is intentional disinformation meant to create disappointment when the actual price is revealed in just a few weeks. Any person over the age of 18 years who wants to buy this type of camera and actually believes any child who suggests the camera will hit the shelf significantly below $2.500 has proven to be deserving more than a little bit educational disappointment.

01-03-2016, 06:44 PM	#56
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by beholder3 Any person over the age of 18 years who wants to buy this type of camera and actually believes any child who suggests the camera will hit the shelf significantly below $2.500 has proven to be deserving more than a little bit educational disappointment. But it is good day dream material though.

01-04-2016, 10:06 AM	#57
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by bxf He just told you he doesn't care. Jeez! What is PF without argument though?

01-04-2016, 10:22 AM	#58
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by normhead I wonder why Nikon hasn't done that? Also because they have the users base to keep buying the product at a regular price.

01-05-2016, 05:12 PM	#60
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,553	Originally posted by normhead There's sure to be some whining and crying and gnashing of teeth., now that expectations have been lowered or raised, depending on how you look at it. It's funny, if I were switching brands I would buy a D810, not a D750, not a D610, no Canon 6D, not a Sony A-7. So, that's kind of what I'm looking for only in a Pentax mount. Some people expect a D810 at less than a Canon 6D price. I wonder why Nikon hasn't done that? They're using several year old technology, they have all the advantages of volume buying, the costs of every part in that camera, have long ago paid off their development costs, yet, it's still $3000 dollars. Why? You guys do understand that the first 10,000 buyers are going to pay off a huge portion of the development costs for this camera? Let's have a lynch mob. Electronics are cheap. Most of the cost is R&D. Thing is, most current cameras in everybody's line up is more or less based on a previous model so a lot of the innards are all the same. They could probably sell FF bodies for $1000 and still turn a decent profit but that would be disruptive and none of the manufacturers are going to do that. Pentax, in recent years, has been the most disruptive. The K10D was almost half the price of the D200 and pretty much matched it in features. The K20D was the same camera with a different sensor and software. I'll bet they turned some awesome profits on that one. Lenses have a lot of labor involved so the prices are understandable. Bodies? I think we're getting ripped off! They're mostly 3D printed plastic and metal with mass produced electronics inside. My old Spotmatic, with lots of mechanical and moving parts, probably cost far more to design and manufacture.