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01-07-2016, 04:12 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
The D500 won't have much impact on the K-1. The D500 is designed specifically for action shooting. The K-1 is expected to be a general purpose jack-of-all-trades. Wide angle shooters will probably do best with the K-1 while telephoto shooters are better off with the D500.

It will be interesting to see whether the D500 or K-1 is better for night landscapes. The D500 promises crazy-high ISO but we don't know the dynamic range and noise characteristics yet.



The D500 is 3x the price of the K-3. Even if the K-3 APS-C replacement comes in at $1200 it will still be nearly 1/2 the price of the D500 so won't have to match specs.
While I agree that in terms of prive the k3 doesnt have to match specs because it costs less, you habe to consider that both are professional level apsc flagships. So for those who can afford whichever flagship is best, the k3 is a last year thought.

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The D500 won't have any impact on the Pentax FF because it is a crop sensor but the D5 will because it is FF. When I saw the specs on the D5, I just started hoping that Pentax brings there A game when we get the full specs.
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The D5 still won't have an impact, because it's as expensive as the 645Z.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
So with the announcement of the new Nikon D5 and D500 I was curious how people felt the pricing would affect the Pentax K-1?

Lots of statements here that the K-1 will be in the sub-$1,500 range or at least less than $2,000. Yet Nikon's new APS-C camera with only 20mp is listing at $2,000 body only? Granted it has some really nice specs, but it's "only" APS-C.
I think the K-1 will be a $3,200 camera.

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Look at the price of the D5. It's a sports version of the 645Z rather than competition for the Pentax FF
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Why should it affect the K1?? it could affect the next APS-C cameras.. but K1 is another story.. A logical question is how could the D500 affect the next Pentax APS-C flag-ship.. K1 is not ment to compete with an APS-C "sports" camera..
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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
Look at the price of the D5. It's a sports version of the 645Z rather than competition for the Pentax FF
The price is eye popping, but the specs are also. The ISO levels are breath taking. One can assume that Pentax is headed to higher ISO as well however as signaled by the
dropping of the built in flash, but we open a whole new era for photography is we can routinely take high quality photos under conditions too dark for the human eye to see.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LensBeginner Quote
You can't mount Nikon lenses on a Pentax camera, nor vice-versa, so I don't see much of a problem here.
If anything, it's good for Pentax.
Actually you can:
Pentax lenses to Nikon
https://www.fotodioxpro.com/pentax-k-lens-to-nikon-f-camera-fotodiox-lens-mount-adapter.html

Nikon F to Pentax
https://www.fotodioxpro.com/nikon-f-lens-to-pentax-k-camera-fotodiox-lens-mount-adapter.html

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Just a short tele converter with crap optics.

The better option for Pentax is replacing the lens mount on the camera with an Adaptist Multi-mount. But that option doesn't exist for Nikon as the K-mount focal flange distance is shorter than F-mount.
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D5/D500 are not 'next-gen', but incremental updates, even against other Nikons or Pentax:
  • -3 EV AF /(-4 EV centre-point) AF vs -3 EV AF (D7200/D750) or -3 EV (K-3);
  • 180k RGB sensor vs 91k RGB sensor (D4/D800/D810/D750) vs 86K pixel RGB sensor (K-3);
  • AF points: 153/ 99 cross vs 51/ 15 cross (D7100, D7200, D700, D750, D800, D800E, D810) vs 27 / 25 cross (K-3)
  • fps: D5 12 / D500 10 vs D4s 11fps, D300s 8fps, vs K-3 8 fps
etc.

Good progress and some great new cameras from Nikon, to be sure.

But it is well within Pentax's capabilities to meet the specs of the new Nikons, either in the K-1, or any APS-C follow-on from the K-3 II.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
D5/D500 are not 'next-gen', but incremental updates, even against other Nikons or Pentax:
  • -3 EV AF /(-4 EV centre-point) AF vs -3 EV AF (D7200/D750) or -3 EV (K-3);
  • 180k RGB sensor vs 91k RGB sensor (D4/D800/D810/D750) vs 86K pixel RGB sensor (K-3);
  • AF points: 153/ 99 cross vs 51/ 15 cross (D7100, D7200, D700, D750, D800, D800E, D810) vs 27 / 25 cross (K-3)
  • fps: D5 12 / D500 10 vs D4s 11fps, D300s 8fps, vs K-3 8 fps
etc.

Good progress and some great new cameras from Nikon, to be sure.

But it is well within Pentax's capabilities to meet the specs of the new Nikons, either in the K-1, or any APS-C follow-on from the K-3 II.
Well you don't mention the ISO of the Nikon D5 which has an extended ISO range of 3.2 million, and a native ISO of to 102,400. I have been using
Pentax equipment for nearly 50 years and have no plans to change, but I stand by my comments that Pentax needs to keep up with the mob on the morph to night vision photography.
We will finally have a use for the screen on the back of the camera---because the camera will work when it's so dark that the standard optical viewfinder is blacked out.

I have no doubt that pentax can get there but my point is that they need to.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rvannatta Quote
Pentax needs to keep up with the mob on the morph to night vision photography.
Remember that Pentax and Nikon uniquely share the same image processing chips (Fujitsu/Socionext Milbeaut = Nikon Expeed / Pentax PRIME).

Hence Nikon/Pentax just need to keep up with Fujitsu/Socionext, not each other directly.

Plus Sony too, of course.
Both Pentax and Nikon have been using a lot of Sony's chip expertise recently.

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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Remember that Pentax and Nikon uniquely share the same image processing chips (Fujitsu/Socionext Milbeaut = Nikon Expeed / Pentax PRIME).

Hence Nikon/Pentax just need to keep up with Fujitsu/Socionext, not each other directly.

Plus Sony too, of course.
Both Pentax and Nikon have been using a lot of Sony's chip expertise recently.
indeed this has been the case Were it otherwise it seems unlikely that a small market base could fund the R and D necessary to develop the processors.
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i think zero affect on K-1 sales. Nobody expects Ricoh to bring an autofocus-beast such as the D500. Whoever buys a D500 now instead of a Pentax FF and is happy would have made the wrong choice with the Pentax FF.
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QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
Just a short tele converter with crap optics.

The better option for Pentax is replacing the lens mount on the camera with an Adaptist Multi-mount. But that option doesn't exist for Nikon as the K-mount focal flange distance is shorter than F-mount.
This.
And you lose all automation.
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