How does the Nikon D500 affect the K-1?

**jatrax** · 01-07-2016, 10:16 AM

So with the announcement of the new Nikon D5 and D500 I was curious how people felt the pricing would affect the Pentax K-1?

Lots of statements here that the K-1 will be in the sub-$1,500 range or at least less than $2,000. Yet Nikon's new APS-C camera with only 20mp is listing at $2,000 body only? Granted it has some really nice specs, but it's "only" APS-C.

bertwert · 01-07-2016, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

with only 20mp

MP isn't everything

I don't think it will affect it at all.
I thought the winning vote on polls were often $2400 for the FF body.

enoeske · 01-07-2016, 10:32 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by jatrax

So with the announcement of the new Nikon D5 and D500 I was curious how people felt the pricing would affect the Pentax K-1?

Lots of statements here that the K-1 will be in the sub-$1,500 range or at least less than $2,000. Yet Nikon's new APS-C camera with only 20mp is listing at $2,000 body only? Granted it has some really nice specs, but it's "only" APS-C.

I don't see a lot of statements saying anything near sub $1500. Most guesses are closer to $2400. And the D5/D500 effects the K-1 about as much as all the point and shoot announcements from canon do. That is to say, they don't. They are aimed at a completely different market. If they were to show off a new D850, then we could talk, but I think the Pentax would be cheaper.

biz-engineer · 01-07-2016, 10:33 AM

No effect on K-1 I suppose, if the K-1 is in the category of the 5Ds/D810 or D750/5DIII. If Ricoh will do a new APSC model next to the K-3, it may be priced relative to the D500/7DII. I still see an possibility to upgrade the K-3 with UHD video, builtin gps + wifi, AF module of the K-1, slightly better sensor and larger buffer (the new Pentax APSC naturally would reuse some of the K-1 development, such as Canikon are doing).

Kunzite · 01-07-2016, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

Lots of statements here that the K-1 will be in the sub-$1,500 range or at least less than $2,000. Yet Nikon's new APS-C camera with only 20mp is listing at $2,000 body only? Granted it has some really nice specs, but it's "only" APS-C.

Not many, and all lies as there can't be any information leaking, with that price. People, we were told the price almost an year ago... if unchanged, it's a good price, but realistic.
It's deja-vu, same $1500 was 'estimated' for the D600 on some forums/sites. It wasn't launched at that price.

As for the D500, no way I'd pay more for an APS-C camera - be it very high-end - than for a mid-range Pentax "full frame".

LensBeginner · 01-07-2016, 10:49 AM - **1 Like**

You can't mount Nikon lenses on a Pentax camera, nor vice-versa, so I don't see much of a problem here.
If anything, it's good for Pentax.

tuco · 01-07-2016, 10:55 AM

Unless the K-1 is a sports camera, I don't think anybody in significant numbers who is interested in either one will be looking at the other as an alternative. Same goes with the D500, I feel.

And when people say "only 20MP" they should look at how many other cameras are moving 24MP or 36MP through a data bus at 10+ FPS.

**ffking** · 01-07-2016, 11:08 AM

The only worry as I see it is that the Pentax FF was meant to be out by now, and it will still be the same camera as would have been out by now, so - for instance - if they haven;t made big strides forward with the AF, it could look a little under-specified on launch in that department

Franky2step · 01-07-2016, 11:23 AM

What I find interesting is that you can buy a Nikon D750 full frame 24MP with a lot of bells and whistles for less than the rumored price of the D500.

Fenwoodian · 01-07-2016, 11:39 AM

I shoot Pentax and Nikon. I sometimes shoot fast action sports and birds in flight.

Until now I've been getting by with the Nikon D7100 for the fast action stuff. I am expecting the used priced on the D7200 (bigger buffer, better AF, and slightly better sensor than D7100) to go down significantly in a few months when the D500 comes out. I likely will upgrade to the D7200 when that happens.

While the D500 would be nice, I feel that as an amateur that only occasionally shoots super fast stuff, the D7200 is as much as I'll ever need.

I see the D500 more for folks who regularly shoot sports (e.g. the Olympic games (which I've done already)) and serious wildlife work.

I also shoot a Pentax K3ii and have collected some nice full frame, K mount glass. The D500 does not in any way reduce my desire for the Pentax Full Frame. It's my intent to exclusively use the Pentax Full Frame for my normal and wide angle photography projects.

**ffking** · 01-07-2016, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Franky2step

What I find interesting is that you can buy a Nikon D750 full frame 24MP with a lot of bells and whistles for less than the rumored price of the D500.

It's not a rumour - the D500 is between £300 and £500 more than the D750 here in the UK -and that's from sellers taking advanced orders

**geomez** · 01-07-2016, 12:28 PM

IDK how it will effect other people's purchasing decisions, but it won't cause me to jump ship. I've got my crosshairs set on the K-1 as long as it delivers on the quality Pentax is known for. I'm too heavily invested to jump ship now.

Venom3300 · 01-07-2016, 01:19 PM

I would thi k it would have more of an impact on the k3 line. As the k3 now looks dated between the 7DII and D500.

osv · 01-07-2016, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

No effect on K-1 I suppose, if the K-1 is in the category of the 5Ds/D810 or D750/5DIII.

50mp/36mp is not in the same category as 24mp/22mp, not even close, and the most logical guess for the k-1 has always been 36mp, or even higher... it'll be priced accordingly, but on the low side, where pentax is always at... aka, a category-killer like the 645z.

d500 is next-gen, it really almost doesn't fit in either of those categories, 20mp for $2k.... but auto fine tune on the lenses, a bunch of focus points, etc.

pentax needs a next-gen camera, with similar innovations, i think that they'll deliver on at least some of it.

---------- Post added 01-07-16 at 01:37 PM ----------

Originally posted by ffking

It's not a rumour - the D500 is between £300 and £500 more than the D750 here in the UK -and that's from sellers taking advanced orders

preorder d500 at b&h is $2k, d750 at b&h is $1.9k, because of a factory $400 discount.

it will be interesting to see how that shakes out.

DeadJohn · 01-07-2016, 03:33 PM

The D500 won't have much impact on the K-1. The D500 is designed specifically for action shooting. The K-1 is expected to be a general purpose jack-of-all-trades. Wide angle shooters will probably do best with the K-1 while telephoto shooters are better off with the D500.

It will be interesting to see whether the D500 or K-1 is better for night landscapes. The D500 promises crazy-high ISO but we don't know the dynamic range and noise characteristics yet.

Originally posted by Venom3300

I would thi k it would have more of an impact on the k3 line. As the k3 now looks dated between the 7DII and D500.

The D500 is 3x the price of the K-3. Even if the K-3 APS-C replacement comes in at $1200 it will still be nearly 1/2 the price of the D500 so won't have to match specs.

01-07-2016, 10:16 AM	#1
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	How does the Nikon D500 affect the K-1? So with the announcement of the new Nikon D5 and D500 I was curious how people felt the pricing would affect the Pentax K-1? Lots of statements here that the K-1 will be in the sub-$1,500 range or at least less than $2,000. Yet Nikon's new APS-C camera with only 20mp is listing at $2,000 body only? Granted it has some really nice specs, but it's "only" APS-C.

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01-07-2016, 10:18 AM	#2
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by jatrax with only 20mp MP isn't everything I don't think it will affect it at all. I thought the winning vote on polls were often $2400 for the FF body.

01-07-2016, 10:32 AM - 2 Likes	#3
enoeske Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Surprise, Az Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,136	Originally posted by jatrax So with the announcement of the new Nikon D5 and D500 I was curious how people felt the pricing would affect the Pentax K-1? Lots of statements here that the K-1 will be in the sub-$1,500 range or at least less than $2,000. Yet Nikon's new APS-C camera with only 20mp is listing at $2,000 body only? Granted it has some really nice specs, but it's "only" APS-C. I don't see a lot of statements saying anything near sub $1500. Most guesses are closer to $2400. And the D5/D500 effects the K-1 about as much as all the point and shoot announcements from canon do. That is to say, they don't. They are aimed at a completely different market. If they were to show off a new D850, then we could talk, but I think the Pentax would be cheaper.

01-07-2016, 10:33 AM	#4
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	No effect on K-1 I suppose, if the K-1 is in the category of the 5Ds/D810 or D750/5DIII. If Ricoh will do a new APSC model next to the K-3, it may be priced relative to the D500/7DII. I still see an possibility to upgrade the K-3 with UHD video, builtin gps + wifi, AF module of the K-1, slightly better sensor and larger buffer (the new Pentax APSC naturally would reuse some of the K-1 development, such as Canikon are doing).

01-07-2016, 10:44 AM	#5
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by jatrax Lots of statements here that the K-1 will be in the sub-$1,500 range or at least less than $2,000. Yet Nikon's new APS-C camera with only 20mp is listing at $2,000 body only? Granted it has some really nice specs, but it's "only" APS-C. Not many, and all lies as there can't be any information leaking, with that price. People, we were told the price almost an year ago... if unchanged, it's a good price, but realistic. It's deja-vu, same $1500 was 'estimated' for the D600 on some forums/sites. It wasn't launched at that price. As for the D500, no way I'd pay more for an APS-C camera - be it very high-end - than for a mid-range Pentax "full frame".

01-07-2016, 10:49 AM - 1 Like	#6
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	You can't mount Nikon lenses on a Pentax camera, nor vice-versa, so I don't see much of a problem here. If anything, it's good for Pentax.

01-07-2016, 10:55 AM	#7
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,026	Unless the K-1 is a sports camera, I don't think anybody in significant numbers who is interested in either one will be looking at the other as an alternative. Same goes with the D500, I feel. And when people say "only 20MP" they should look at how many other cameras are moving 24MP or 36MP through a data bus at 10+ FPS.

01-07-2016, 11:08 AM	#8
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	The only worry as I see it is that the Pentax FF was meant to be out by now, and it will still be the same camera as would have been out by now, so - for instance - if they haven;t made big strides forward with the AF, it could look a little under-specified on launch in that department

01-07-2016, 11:23 AM	#9
Franky2step Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Niagara Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 793	What I find interesting is that you can buy a Nikon D750 full frame 24MP with a lot of bells and whistles for less than the rumored price of the D500.

01-07-2016, 11:39 AM	#10
Fenwoodian Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,874	I shoot Pentax and Nikon. I sometimes shoot fast action sports and birds in flight. Until now I've been getting by with the Nikon D7100 for the fast action stuff. I am expecting the used priced on the D7200 (bigger buffer, better AF, and slightly better sensor than D7100) to go down significantly in a few months when the D500 comes out. I likely will upgrade to the D7200 when that happens. While the D500 would be nice, I feel that as an amateur that only occasionally shoots super fast stuff, the D7200 is as much as I'll ever need. I see the D500 more for folks who regularly shoot sports (e.g. the Olympic games (which I've done already)) and serious wildlife work. I also shoot a Pentax K3ii and have collected some nice full frame, K mount glass. The D500 does not in any way reduce my desire for the Pentax Full Frame. It's my intent to exclusively use the Pentax Full Frame for my normal and wide angle photography projects.

01-07-2016, 11:56 AM	#11
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Franky2step What I find interesting is that you can buy a Nikon D750 full frame 24MP with a lot of bells and whistles for less than the rumored price of the D500. It's not a rumour - the D500 is between £300 and £500 more than the D750 here in the UK -and that's from sellers taking advanced orders

01-07-2016, 12:28 PM	#12
geomez Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Roanoke, Virginia, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,760	IDK how it will effect other people's purchasing decisions, but it won't cause me to jump ship. I've got my crosshairs set on the K-1 as long as it delivers on the quality Pentax is known for. I'm too heavily invested to jump ship now.

01-07-2016, 01:19 PM	#13
Venom3300 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 714	I would thi k it would have more of an impact on the k3 line. As the k3 now looks dated between the 7DII and D500.

01-07-2016, 02:34 PM	#14
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by biz-engineer No effect on K-1 I suppose, if the K-1 is in the category of the 5Ds/D810 or D750/5DIII. 50mp/36mp is not in the same category as 24mp/22mp, not even close, and the most logical guess for the k-1 has always been 36mp, or even higher... it'll be priced accordingly, but on the low side, where pentax is always at... aka, a category-killer like the 645z. d500 is next-gen, it really almost doesn't fit in either of those categories, 20mp for $2k.... but auto fine tune on the lenses, a bunch of focus points, etc. pentax needs a next-gen camera, with similar innovations, i think that they'll deliver on at least some of it. ---------- Post added 01-07-16 at 01:37 PM ---------- Originally posted by ffking It's not a rumour - the D500 is between £300 and £500 more than the D750 here in the UK -and that's from sellers taking advanced orders preorder d500 at b&h is $2k, d750 at b&h is $1.9k, because of a factory $400 discount. it will be interesting to see how that shakes out.

01-07-2016, 03:33 PM	#15
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,834	The D500 won't have much impact on the K-1. The D500 is designed specifically for action shooting. The K-1 is expected to be a general purpose jack-of-all-trades. Wide angle shooters will probably do best with the K-1 while telephoto shooters are better off with the D500. It will be interesting to see whether the D500 or K-1 is better for night landscapes. The D500 promises crazy-high ISO but we don't know the dynamic range and noise characteristics yet. Originally posted by Venom3300 I would thi k it would have more of an impact on the k3 line. As the k3 now looks dated between the 7DII and D500. The D500 is 3x the price of the K-3. Even if the K-3 APS-C replacement comes in at $1200 it will still be nearly 1/2 the price of the D500 so won't have to match specs.