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01-10-2016, 02:09 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Adam Quote
Pentax currently caters to studio professionals, landscape photographers, etc through the 645 medium format system. It would make sense for the FF to supplement the current 645 offerings. It's not going to knock Canon or Nikon out of the park in terms of specs for sports, nor would it make sense for it to be in the same price range as sports-oriented flagship SLRs. Still, the FF should deliver a level of image quality better than what current k-mount bodies can offer.
Adam, you are so right on the target market for the 645. Stay tuned. FF has some tricks and advantages that are going to surprise everyone. It is going to supplement the 645 and then some and it is as pro as they come.

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Ha..Ha... see https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/14-general-talk/311455-full-moon-because-pending-k1.html
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QuoteOriginally posted by sunshine7913 Quote
I'm talking about PROFESSIONAL.


Right, but PRO camera needs PRO photographers.








This guy is not a PRO.


01-10-2016, 02:56 AM   #19
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This thread is not a PRO either

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I find this thread very interesting as it tries to adress the biggest issues of pentax. Trying to say that pentax AF is not bad is just ridiculous, comparing the KX AF with the 6D AF is as illogic as comparing the K200 with the K3. Sure pentax is making progress in this field but the reality is that it is always very far away from nikon and canon. This is not even for professionals, even an amateur today, the technology being more and more affordable, he wants to have the best features available. When I see the D500, I see the huge gap pentax has to fullfil
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What I see are people scared that Pentax might be successful
And no, Pentax doesn't have to make a D500; that camera is too expensive, a specialized tool.
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Pentax has traditionally never had more than one DSLR aimed at any price point except during periods of overlap when a new model is replacing an older one and as a consequence (or vice versa, depending on which is the cart and which the horse) tends to make jack of all trade cameras. These are great for ordinary photographers who don't want blistering burst rates at the expense of low Mps or expensive specialist features that they'll never use. I know that is is no excuse for worse AF or flash on a like for like basis price wise, but part of the story is the unique and fairly full package of features that Pentax offer in every body. They serve the non-specialist photographer who does a bit of everything - but they are 'Pro' in basics that most of us want, like build quality, just not in all the things that you need several different bodies at a similar price point to make possible -because all design is compromise.

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01-10-2016, 03:59 AM   #23
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QuoteOriginally posted by sunshine7913 Quote
These are always problem for Pentax. Since Pentax is making FF, they should start focus on professional field.
I think that's what Pentax folks are doing, aligning with the start of the art, that's why they almost released nothing this year and it takes them long to release a new system. They probably put all their resources into releasing something that rocks, since they are smaller than canikon, it will rock for a short period of time, and then will quickly be buried by Canikon, again. I guessed that Nikon would release a new range of DSLR in spring 2016, and they did it earlier than I thought (=> D5/D500). You are probably going to see a very nice, fully featured Pentax full frame camera, you'r going to have to wait more for a set of new FF prime lenses once the DFA70-200 will be released, while you could have those lenses right away from Canikon. For understanding market trends , the D5/D500 is an interesting move: it confirms that while smart phones have stolen the bottom of mass camera market with the appeal of convenience, the top end high IQ cameras camera now split into the two categories: 1) mirrorless that you can have in your bag at all times as casual high IQ camera for family and travel photography, 2) ultrafast pro level heavy duty DSLR for sport events and wildlife, which balance well with big lenses from 70-200, 100-400 up to 600mm. IMO, nowadays mirroless is good so that it can easily replace a K-30/K50 while being smaller camera, and the use of high FPS gear such as K-3 / later FF DSLR makes sense for sports and wildlife. People could carry a D5 like camera for landscape if they have it, but for landscape applications it would make more sense to use a A7RII. The trend towards pro level for DSLR translates into lower volume higher priced cameras for specialized uses / passionate photogs.


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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
but for landscape applications it would make more sense to use a A7RII
Maybe, if your budget is unlimited. Our price of this camera is approx. EUR 3.573,- right now.

Compared to K-3 II which I could buy for EUR 1.000,-.

(Yeah each of them has some pro and con...)

Which one would I choose? I'd pick Pentax again and rather invest the price difference into some good lenses.
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The worst choice Ricoh/Pentax could make is to compete directly with the two new "pro" Nikon cameras; in other words, to make a "pro" camera following Canon/Nikon's idea of what "pro" camera is.
But... this is not what they're doing. D500? Pentax will have a FF camera for a similar price. D5? You can get a 645Z. Different products addressing different needs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by sunshine7913 Quote
What if Pentax FF is not a pro gear?
Okay, to address your concerns, hypothetically, Pentax comes out with a brand new system: a pair of high powered, and a compact slave flash unit: all with 2.4ghz wireless control and full P-TTL compatibility as well as full manual 1:1 ~1:256 power level control, with a Nikon CLS style 2.4 ghz wireless flash commander system built into the K1.

Additionally a complete set of designed for full format solid metal bodied AW AF f/1.2~f/2 prime lenses from 14mm to 180mm and a set of f/2.8~f/4 zooms from 15~30mm, 24~90mm 85~200mm, 180-520mm all of which feature the very latest in optical design, a renewed and improved version of the FA*200mm f/2 ED [IF] Macro as well as a set of super telephoto lenses from 300mm f/2.8, 400mm f/2.8( and a light 400mm f/5.6 model) 600mm f/4, 800mm f/5.6 and a 1250mm f/5.6 all fully apochromatic optical designs, with high speed DC motors, complete weather resistant sealing and dedicated 1.4 and 2X rear-converters, with robust filter mounting systems and sturdy tripod mounts designed to suit arca heads.

If Pentax did all this, Ricoh would hit the bricks and go bankrupt within a year. There would be an unprecedented amount of spending in R&D and production that I doubt Ricoh could afford. The second reason Ricoh would collapse would be that no-one would buy all this gear in one hit, as it would create a lot of indecision in the market. Ricoh would have issues with meeting demand even if their "ELITE PRO" system ever got off the ground. Also all this gear would be untested in a professional environment and it would require a professional repair network ( something you can't build overnight) and command a hefty price tag - things pros really aren't interested in, as there is well tested professional equipment with reasonable prices already being made. If Pentax tried to barge in on Canon and Nikon and become the Professional system you want it to be, it would be taking a tremendous risk.

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I thought pros are getting their equipment for free, it's us consumers who must pay for it...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I thought pros are getting their equipment for free
I certainly don't.
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I was half joking (previous post edited to include emoticon). But the kind of pros shooting at Olympics and such - perhaps the most visible 'pro' segment - are more likely to get their stuff for free, AFAIK (but then, what do I know? I only heard stories...). Or have other advantages.

This being said, I hope Ricoh Imaging will extend the 'Pentax Ambassadors' program, and work more on visibility. That's doable, unlike some $2000 APS-C and $6500 FF monsters with a full high-end lens and accessories range, with tons of marketing, with trying to get as many sports shooters in one go as possible.
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AF: K-3ii is enough? Look at Nikon cameras.

Flash: They still have 1/180 while others have 1/250 and canon and nikon have best flash system

Lenses: Choices are small

Slow updates: How many lenses do they released annually?

UI: Where's the joystick?
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