Pentax FF running out of steam

jimr-pdx · 01-14-2016, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Kenntak

I am not sure what FF means. Some of my guesses are Final Fantasy camera, Fantasy Football camera, Fantastic Four camera, Fast Food camera, Family Feud camera, or Fast Forward camera. I guess the Pentax is doomed crowd already thinks it stands for Fatally Flawed camera.

I figured every lens other than my Fast Fifty would auto-crop...

redrockcoulee · 01-14-2016, 12:57 PM

As long as Pentax keeps the beloved M42 screw mount we should be happy with the new camera. As a company they are doomed if they ever change the mount to say a bayonet type one.

John Poirier · 01-14-2016, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by redrockcoulee

As long as Pentax keeps the beloved M42 screw mount we should be happy with the new camera. As a company they are doomed if they ever change the mount to say a bayonet type one.

Yes. I can't imagine Pentaxians losing the pleasure of changing screwmount lenses bare-handed at -40. They'll move over to Zenit in hordes.

**BigMackCam** · 01-14-2016, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by John Poirier

Yes. I can't imagine Pentaxians losing the pleasure of changing screwmount lenses bare-handed at -40. They'll move over to Zenit in hordes.

Which only begs the question, when will the Krasnogorsk factory re-enter camera manufacturing and release the long awaited "Zenit Digimat"?, with 6Mp FF sensor and a host of other innovations?

redrockcoulee · 01-14-2016, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by John Poirier

Yes. I can't imagine Pentaxians losing the pleasure of changing screwmount lenses bare-handed at -40. They'll move over to Zenit in hordes.

I did that in Prince George, Edmonton and the NWT and none of those sissy zoom lenses either.

**mattb123** · 01-14-2016, 02:44 PM - **2 Likes**

I spent my money on a 645D instead. I may still get a FF, but I'm not feeling a sense of urgency about it and probably won't be pre-ordering.

**TwoUptons** · 01-14-2016, 04:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by redpit

They do. Pentax is now preparing a FF DOOM-1 (Digital Out of Ordinary Model) camera

Wait, the new FF comes with the new Doom preinstalled? That must be the reason they waited until 2016...

I thought FF meant it came with the Final Fantasy series of games installed...

:-)

- Eric

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(series)

DoubtingThomas · 01-18-2016, 02:56 PM

...I pretttty sure there's crazy glue on that front paw...

biz-engineer · 01-19-2016, 11:37 AM

That will be spring 2016, could be up to June 2016, still a long way to go.

richmondthefish · 01-19-2016, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by mattb123

I spent my money on a 645D instead. I may still get a FF, but I'm not feeling a sense of urgency about it and probably won't be pre-ordering.

645D is most likely where my money will end up as well. I just don't know how low it will go which is part of the reason I'm still on holding off.

biz-engineer · 01-19-2016, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by mattb123

I spent my money on a 645D instead. I may still get a FF, but I'm not feeling a sense of urgency about it and probably won't be pre-ordering.

Originally posted by richmondthefish

645D is most likely where my money will end up as well. I just don't know how low it will go which is part of the reason I'm still on holding off.

The 645D is definitely a bargain and a step up from APSC. That being said, I see the A7RII + Zeiss Batis lenses as a competitor offer: simply the image quality with the Sony BSI sensor in combination with the lens, I think it's as good as or even better compared to the output of a 645D, but the A7RII+Zeiss prime combo is way smaller, although if you don't have a 645D, you can't claim shooting MF or be seen as a pro, and the A7RII AF is also likely better the AF of the 645D.

richmondthefish · 01-19-2016, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The 645D is definitely a bargain and a step up from APSC. That being said, I see the A7RII + Zeiss Batis lenses as a competitor offer: simply the image quality with the Sony BSI sensor in combination with the lens, I think it's as good as or even better compared to the output of a 645D, but the A7RII+Zeiss prime combo is way smaller, although if you don't have a 645D, you can't claim shooting MF or be seen as a pro, and the A7RII AF is also likely better the AF of the 645D.

From what I've seen viewing files from both cameras on a 27" Retina iMac the A7RII + Zeiss Batis is an excellent combo but I haven't seen it match the 645D when the 645D is really spot on.

The A7RII seems way more versatile and easy to use though. If I end up in the FF category it probably wouldn't be for a while as both the K1 and A7RII will fall in price over the next year and I'd like to see where everything ends up at the end of 2016.

**mattb123** · 01-19-2016, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by richmondthefish

From what I've seen viewing files from both cameras on a 27" Retina iMac the A7RII + Zeiss Batis is an excellent combo but I haven't seen it match the 645D when the 645D is really spot on.

The A7RII seems way more versatile and easy to use though. If I end up in the FF category it probably wouldn't be for a while as both the K1 and A7RII will fall in price over the next year and I'd like to see where everything ends up at the end of 2016.

Just as with Pentax FF I had some 645 lenses (and a 645) already so That helped steer me that way. I didn't want to start into yet another system either. If I want to go light I run the crop stuff and if I want to go slow I bring the 645D. I wouldn't rule out FF filling the middle ground there at some point but for now I'm loving the D and my old primes plus a couple of newer (still film era) zooms.
Works for me so far!

Mothballs · 01-19-2016, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Which only begs the question, when will the Krasnogorsk factory re-enter camera manufacturing and release the long awaited "Zenit Digimat"?, with 6Mp FF sensor and a host of other innovations?

I've actually been tempted to contact them and start a crowdfunding for such a thing... Don't tempt me. They'd probably go for it is the sad part...

10MP Pentax K and m42 models, Full frame, no AF, no IS, split prism, manual dial controls...

Zenit with a sensor in it. Done.

If Pentax Doesn't hurry up, it may be my only course of action.

pathdoc · 01-19-2016, 11:34 PM

We've already had someone put up a concept picture for a "Spotmatic D" somewhere on Pentax Forums and yeah, I can see such a thing flying in a few years. There would be a lot of people who would buy such a thing, even if it were bare-bones without even a rear screen and you had to take the SD card out and put it in a cellphone or tablet to see the pictures. Given the processing power and wireless linking of even basic-level tablets these days (e.g. to printers), that would not be a heavy price to pay.

Individual entrepreneurs have failed, but an established camera company with the appropriate technical know-how and existing production facilities (even old gear pulled out of mothballs) should easily succeed.

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01-14-2016, 12:37 PM	#76
jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	Originally posted by Kenntak I am not sure what FF means. Some of my guesses are Final Fantasy camera, Fantasy Football camera, Fantastic Four camera, Fast Food camera, Family Feud camera, or Fast Forward camera. I guess the Pentax is doomed crowd already thinks it stands for Fatally Flawed camera. I figured every lens other than my Fast Fifty would auto-crop...

01-14-2016, 12:57 PM	#77
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	As long as Pentax keeps the beloved M42 screw mount we should be happy with the new camera. As a company they are doomed if they ever change the mount to say a bayonet type one.

01-14-2016, 01:15 PM	#78
John Poirier Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gabriola Island Posts: 619	Originally posted by redrockcoulee As long as Pentax keeps the beloved M42 screw mount we should be happy with the new camera. As a company they are doomed if they ever change the mount to say a bayonet type one. Yes. I can't imagine Pentaxians losing the pleasure of changing screwmount lenses bare-handed at -40. They'll move over to Zenit in hordes.

01-14-2016, 01:26 PM	#79
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,644	Originally posted by John Poirier Yes. I can't imagine Pentaxians losing the pleasure of changing screwmount lenses bare-handed at -40. They'll move over to Zenit in hordes. Which only begs the question, when will the Krasnogorsk factory re-enter camera manufacturing and release the long awaited "Zenit Digimat"?, with 6Mp FF sensor and a host of other innovations?

01-14-2016, 02:30 PM	#80
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	Originally posted by John Poirier Yes. I can't imagine Pentaxians losing the pleasure of changing screwmount lenses bare-handed at -40. They'll move over to Zenit in hordes. I did that in Prince George, Edmonton and the NWT and none of those sissy zoom lenses either.

01-14-2016, 02:44 PM - 2 Likes	#81
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,872	I spent my money on a 645D instead. I may still get a FF, but I'm not feeling a sense of urgency about it and probably won't be pre-ordering.

01-14-2016, 04:08 PM - 1 Like	#82
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,207	Originally posted by redpit They do. Pentax is now preparing a FF DOOM-1 (Digital Out of Ordinary Model) camera Wait, the new FF comes with the new Doom preinstalled? That must be the reason they waited until 2016... I thought FF meant it came with the Final Fantasy series of games installed... :-) - Eric https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(series)

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,223 Original Poster	That will be spring 2016, could be up to June 2016, still a long way to go.

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richmondthefish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 221	Originally posted by mattb123 I spent my money on a 645D instead. I may still get a FF, but I'm not feeling a sense of urgency about it and probably won't be pre-ordering. 645D is most likely where my money will end up as well. I just don't know how low it will go which is part of the reason I'm still on holding off.

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01-19-2016, 12:06 PM	#86
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,223 Original Poster	Originally posted by mattb123 I spent my money on a 645D instead. I may still get a FF, but I'm not feeling a sense of urgency about it and probably won't be pre-ordering. Originally posted by richmondthefish 645D is most likely where my money will end up as well. I just don't know how low it will go which is part of the reason I'm still on holding off. The 645D is definitely a bargain and a step up from APSC. That being said, I see the A7RII + Zeiss Batis lenses as a competitor offer: simply the image quality with the Sony BSI sensor in combination with the lens, I think it's as good as or even better compared to the output of a 645D, but the A7RII+Zeiss prime combo is way smaller, although if you don't have a 645D, you can't claim shooting MF or be seen as a pro, and the A7RII AF is also likely better the AF of the 645D.

01-19-2016, 12:41 PM	#87
richmondthefish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 221	Originally posted by biz-engineer The 645D is definitely a bargain and a step up from APSC. That being said, I see the A7RII + Zeiss Batis lenses as a competitor offer: simply the image quality with the Sony BSI sensor in combination with the lens, I think it's as good as or even better compared to the output of a 645D, but the A7RII+Zeiss prime combo is way smaller, although if you don't have a 645D, you can't claim shooting MF or be seen as a pro, and the A7RII AF is also likely better the AF of the 645D. From what I've seen viewing files from both cameras on a 27" Retina iMac the A7RII + Zeiss Batis is an excellent combo but I haven't seen it match the 645D when the 645D is really spot on. The A7RII seems way more versatile and easy to use though. If I end up in the FF category it probably wouldn't be for a while as both the K1 and A7RII will fall in price over the next year and I'd like to see where everything ends up at the end of 2016.

01-19-2016, 01:26 PM	#88
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,872	Originally posted by richmondthefish From what I've seen viewing files from both cameras on a 27" Retina iMac the A7RII + Zeiss Batis is an excellent combo but I haven't seen it match the 645D when the 645D is really spot on. The A7RII seems way more versatile and easy to use though. If I end up in the FF category it probably wouldn't be for a while as both the K1 and A7RII will fall in price over the next year and I'd like to see where everything ends up at the end of 2016. Just as with Pentax FF I had some 645 lenses (and a 645) already so That helped steer me that way. I didn't want to start into yet another system either. If I want to go light I run the crop stuff and if I want to go slow I bring the 645D. I wouldn't rule out FF filling the middle ground there at some point but for now I'm loving the D and my old primes plus a couple of newer (still film era) zooms. Works for me so far!

01-19-2016, 07:38 PM	#89
Mothballs Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 275	Originally posted by BigMackCam Which only begs the question, when will the Krasnogorsk factory re-enter camera manufacturing and release the long awaited "Zenit Digimat"?, with 6Mp FF sensor and a host of other innovations? I've actually been tempted to contact them and start a crowdfunding for such a thing... Don't tempt me. They'd probably go for it is the sad part... 10MP Pentax K and m42 models, Full frame, no AF, no IS, split prism, manual dial controls... Zenit with a sensor in it. Done. If Pentax Doesn't hurry up, it may be my only course of action.

01-19-2016, 11:34 PM	#90
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	We've already had someone put up a concept picture for a "Spotmatic D" somewhere on Pentax Forums and yeah, I can see such a thing flying in a few years. There would be a lot of people who would buy such a thing, even if it were bare-bones without even a rear screen and you had to take the SD card out and put it in a cellphone or tablet to see the pictures. Given the processing power and wireless linking of even basic-level tablets these days (e.g. to printers), that would not be a heavy price to pay. Individual entrepreneurs have failed, but an established camera company with the appropriate technical know-how and existing production facilities (even old gear pulled out of mothballs) should easily succeed.