Who designed/manufactures the 36.4 MP sensor?

RonHendriks1966 · 02-19-2016, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by rawr

IMX094APQ is the model number for the Sony-made D800 sensor. And according to the Sony sensor division web site, today they are only selling one 36MP FF sensor, and it's still the IMX094 model. So I bet that somewhere in the K-1 tech docs or service manuals there is a reference to IMX094.

And that is a good sensor.

Chris Mak · 02-20-2016, 03:25 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by rawr

IMX094APQ is the model number for the Sony-made D800 sensor. And according to the Sony sensor division web site, today they are only selling one 36MP FF sensor, and it's still the IMX094 model. So I bet that somewhere in the K-1 tech docs or service manuals there is a reference to IMX094.

People seem to want the sensor in the K1 to be "better" than the sensor in the Nikon D810 or the Sony A7r, but they forget that this FF sensor is totally state of the art as it is. I have the Sony A7r and have the Pentax K3. I also had the K5 and the K5IIs. The Sony 36mp sensor is simply a fantastic sensor, and it is the one that I wished the K1 would have. No need for "rebuilt", or "tweaked". The IQ out of this sensor is all I would ever want.
Still, I wished that Pentax had spent a little bit more for a version with a lower native iso like the Nikon D810 version. You can never have too much highlight headroom.

Chris

deepbluish · 02-20-2016, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

What i have, is a pre-product, but i can already see that this sensor is *********** amazing!!! Thats all i care about

hehe..

Have tested the K-1 with 31 and 77 LTD + 100 macro, 200 and 300..And of course 24-70..Im in love <3

And the layout of the new/extra buttons? Just incredible!!!! Now that i've tested it, it is so brilliant, you just have to laugh.

I know you're not allowed to share any images, but what about shedding some light on the AF system? Does it feel any better? Subject tracking performance?

hsteeves · 02-20-2016, 04:24 AM

the last camera to come out with that sensor was the D810 and that was about 2 years ago - I would hope that the K1 has better performance than it.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-20-2016, 04:59 AM

I don't know why people want it to be better then thè other 36mp sensors. They are all great and fit in the same league. Pentax has a sensor that is not expensive, to make the camera not expensive, so don't expect to many extra's.

http://www.dxomark.com/cameras/launched-between-2012-and-2015/resolution-fro...taType=rankDxo

95 points at dxo is great. Maybe the pixelshift, if tested would get those extra points.

Winder · 02-20-2016, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by *Rich

Anyone know who manufactures the CMOS sensor used in the Pentax K-1? Is it Sony?

One source I read said this sensor is not similar to any other full-frame sensor presently on the market. Thanks.

Its a Sony sensor, but microlenses and the bayer color filter is probably different between the A7r, D810, and K-1 which will result in slightly different results. Many years ago when the A900 and Nikon D3x were out, they both used the same Sony sensor, but Sony used a heavier color filter which resulted in better colors and skin tone, but more noise at higher ISO.

kenspo · 02-20-2016, 11:55 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by deepbluish

I know you're not allowed to share any images, but what about shedding some light on the AF system? Does it feel any better? Subject tracking performance?

It feels good. much better then K-3II. But as it is a pre-product, i expect it to even be a notch or two better when firmware is finished.

But i already love the K-1!!

deepbluish · 02-20-2016, 02:14 PM

That's good to hear. Then I guess it should be leaps and bounds ahead of my K5 when it comes to focusing. I suspect that would make me a very happy camper.

Please share an in-depth report as soon as you get the production version.

OoKU · 02-21-2016, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

What i have, is a pre-product, but i can already see that this sensor is *********** amazing!!! Thats all i care about

hehe..

Have tested the K-1 with 31 and 77 LTD + 100 macro, 200 and 300..And of course 24-70..Im in love <3

And the layout of the new/extra buttons? Just incredible!!!! Now that i've tested it, it is so brilliant, you just have to laugh.

DO you have a group shots FA77 with K-1？

kenspo · 02-21-2016, 01:24 AM

No, i dont have. I just have tested different lenses, AF, ISO etc

*Rich · 02-21-2016, 10:40 AM

F.Y.I.

Here are six pages of details about the K-1:
Features1 | PENTAX K-1 | RICOH IMAGING

StephenHampshire · 02-21-2016, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by *Rich

F.Y.I.

Here are six pages of details about the K-1:
Features1 | PENTAX K-1 | RICOH IMAGING

Very comprehensive; they are bullish about the af capabilities, lets hope the reality lives up to the hype. I like the SR auto pan compensation

Interesting that te K3 is no longer listed, just the K3ii - I thought they were alternatives - I for one would prefer a flash to the GPS, though no deal-breaker

patarok · 02-24-2016, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by *Rich

So it sounds like the final sensor performance will depend on what the Pentax engineers deem most important for the K-1. In the past, mixed results have occurred with Pentax's implementation of Sony sensors.

The APS-C 16.x Mp sensor performance was superior in the various K-5 models relative to other manufacturer's adaptation. But apparently not so with the APS-C 24.x Mp sensor, where the K-3 models' sensor adaptation fell a bit short in color depth performance and dynamic range relative to Nikon's and Sony's implementations (as per Dxomark).

Regardless, going to a full-frame sensor is going to be a big improvement over the earlier APS-C cameras. Just how big an improvement will soon become evident.

That could be because of the higher pixel density and the smaller sensor pixel size.... The K-1 for sure would have been a better performer here also with a 24.5MP FF sensor... or maybe less.
Anyway, There is Pixelshif resolution (spare me the words i know what it actually is about..

) would have done for me with 20 or 24 MP and PixelShift Resolution.

kadajawi · 02-27-2016, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I don't know why people want it to be better then thè other 36mp sensors. They are all great and fit in the same league. Pentax has a sensor that is not expensive, to make the camera not expensive, so don't expect to many extra's.

http://www.dxomark.com/cameras/launched-between-2012-and-2015/resolution-fro...taType=rankDxo

95 points at dxo is great. Maybe the pixelshift, if tested would get those extra points.

Readout speed. The faster the sensor, the better the video quality (generally speaking). Regardless of the specs. The K-1 could still be significantly better than previous Pentaxes despite sounding the same, if the sensor is really fast and the processor can handle that. No moire and aliasing, less rolling shutter, ... and the other deficiencies of the camera can be fixed in firmware. Higher bitrate, sensor shift SR and flat picture profile.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-27-2016, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by kadajawi

Readout speed. The faster the sensor, the better the video quality (generally speaking). Regardless of the specs. The K-1 could still be significantly better than previous Pentaxes despite sounding the same, if the sensor is really fast and the processor can handle that. No moire and aliasing, less rolling shutter, ... and the other deficiencies of the camera can be fixed in firmware. Higher bitrate, sensor shift SR and flat picture profile.

Better then Pentax camera's is fine. People expecting it to be better then thè other 36mp full frame camera's. I think it will be equal at best.

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02-19-2016, 03:38 PM	#16
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by rawr IMX094APQ is the model number for the Sony-made D800 sensor. And according to the Sony sensor division web site, today they are only selling one 36MP FF sensor, and it's still the IMX094 model. So I bet that somewhere in the K-1 tech docs or service manuals there is a reference to IMX094. And that is a good sensor.

02-20-2016, 03:25 AM - 3 Likes	#17
Chris Mak Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 639	Originally posted by rawr IMX094APQ is the model number for the Sony-made D800 sensor. And according to the Sony sensor division web site, today they are only selling one 36MP FF sensor, and it's still the IMX094 model. So I bet that somewhere in the K-1 tech docs or service manuals there is a reference to IMX094. People seem to want the sensor in the K1 to be "better" than the sensor in the Nikon D810 or the Sony A7r, but they forget that this FF sensor is totally state of the art as it is. I have the Sony A7r and have the Pentax K3. I also had the K5 and the K5IIs. The Sony 36mp sensor is simply a fantastic sensor, and it is the one that I wished the K1 would have. No need for "rebuilt", or "tweaked". The IQ out of this sensor is all I would ever want. Still, I wished that Pentax had spent a little bit more for a version with a lower native iso like the Nikon D810 version. You can never have too much highlight headroom. Chris

02-20-2016, 03:55 AM	#18
deepbluish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 130	Originally posted by kenspo What i have, is a pre-product, but i can already see that this sensor is *********** amazing!!! Thats all i care about hehe.. Have tested the K-1 with 31 and 77 LTD + 100 macro, 200 and 300..And of course 24-70..Im in love <3 And the layout of the new/extra buttons? Just incredible!!!! Now that i've tested it, it is so brilliant, you just have to laugh. I know you're not allowed to share any images, but what about shedding some light on the AF system? Does it feel any better? Subject tracking performance?

02-20-2016, 04:24 AM	#19
hsteeves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 255	the last camera to come out with that sensor was the D810 and that was about 2 years ago - I would hope that the K1 has better performance than it.

02-20-2016, 04:59 AM	#20
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	I don't know why people want it to be better then thè other 36mp sensors. They are all great and fit in the same league. Pentax has a sensor that is not expensive, to make the camera not expensive, so don't expect to many extra's. http://www.dxomark.com/cameras/launched-between-2012-and-2015/resolution-fro...taType=rankDxo 95 points at dxo is great. Maybe the pixelshift, if tested would get those extra points.

02-20-2016, 11:44 AM	#21
Winder Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by *Rich Anyone know who manufactures the CMOS sensor used in the Pentax K-1? Is it Sony? One source I read said this sensor is not similar to any other full-frame sensor presently on the market. Thanks. Its a Sony sensor, but microlenses and the bayer color filter is probably different between the A7r, D810, and K-1 which will result in slightly different results. Many years ago when the A900 and Nikon D3x were out, they both used the same Sony sensor, but Sony used a heavier color filter which resulted in better colors and skin tone, but more noise at higher ISO.

02-20-2016, 11:55 AM - 1 Like	#22
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by deepbluish I know you're not allowed to share any images, but what about shedding some light on the AF system? Does it feel any better? Subject tracking performance? It feels good. much better then K-3II. But as it is a pre-product, i expect it to even be a notch or two better when firmware is finished. But i already love the K-1!!

02-20-2016, 02:14 PM	#23
deepbluish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 130	That's good to hear. Then I guess it should be leaps and bounds ahead of my K5 when it comes to focusing. I suspect that would make me a very happy camper. Please share an in-depth report as soon as you get the production version.

02-21-2016, 12:15 AM	#24
OoKU Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 711	Originally posted by kenspo What i have, is a pre-product, but i can already see that this sensor is *********** amazing!!! Thats all i care about hehe.. Have tested the K-1 with 31 and 77 LTD + 100 macro, 200 and 300..And of course 24-70..Im in love <3 And the layout of the new/extra buttons? Just incredible!!!! Now that i've tested it, it is so brilliant, you just have to laugh. DO you have a group shots FA77 with K-1？

02-21-2016, 01:24 AM	#25
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	No, i dont have. I just have tested different lenses, AF, ISO etc

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02-21-2016, 10:40 AM	#26
Rich Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Silver City, New Mexico, USA Posts: 31 Original Poster*	F.Y.I. Here are six pages of details about the K-1: Features1 \| PENTAX K-1 \| RICOH IMAGING

02-21-2016, 11:16 AM	#27
StephenHampshire Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Winchester Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,523	Originally posted by *Rich F.Y.I. Here are six pages of details about the K-1: Features1 \| PENTAX K-1 \| RICOH IMAGING Very comprehensive; they are bullish about the af capabilities, lets hope the reality lives up to the hype. I like the SR auto pan compensation Interesting that te K3 is no longer listed, just the K3ii - I thought they were alternatives - I for one would prefer a flash to the GPS, though no deal-breaker

02-24-2016, 12:57 PM	#28
patarok Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 389	Originally posted by *Rich So it sounds like the final sensor performance will depend on what the Pentax engineers deem most important for the K-1. In the past, mixed results have occurred with Pentax's implementation of Sony sensors. The APS-C 16.x Mp sensor performance was superior in the various K-5 models relative to other manufacturer's adaptation. But apparently not so with the APS-C 24.x Mp sensor, where the K-3 models' sensor adaptation fell a bit short in color depth performance and dynamic range relative to Nikon's and Sony's implementations (as per Dxomark). Regardless, going to a full-frame sensor is going to be a big improvement over the earlier APS-C cameras. Just how big an improvement will soon become evident. That could be because of the higher pixel density and the smaller sensor pixel size.... The K-1 for sure would have been a better performer here also with a 24.5MP FF sensor... or maybe less. Anyway, There is Pixelshif resolution (spare me the words i know what it actually is about.. ) would have done for me with 20 or 24 MP and PixelShift Resolution.

02-27-2016, 01:38 AM	#29
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,796	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I don't know why people want it to be better then thè other 36mp sensors. They are all great and fit in the same league. Pentax has a sensor that is not expensive, to make the camera not expensive, so don't expect to many extra's. http://www.dxomark.com/cameras/launched-between-2012-and-2015/resolution-fro...taType=rankDxo 95 points at dxo is great. Maybe the pixelshift, if tested would get those extra points. Readout speed. The faster the sensor, the better the video quality (generally speaking). Regardless of the specs. The K-1 could still be significantly better than previous Pentaxes despite sounding the same, if the sensor is really fast and the processor can handle that. No moire and aliasing, less rolling shutter, ... and the other deficiencies of the camera can be fixed in firmware. Higher bitrate, sensor shift SR and flat picture profile.

02-27-2016, 02:14 AM	#30
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by kadajawi Readout speed. The faster the sensor, the better the video quality (generally speaking). Regardless of the specs. The K-1 could still be significantly better than previous Pentaxes despite sounding the same, if the sensor is really fast and the processor can handle that. No moire and aliasing, less rolling shutter, ... and the other deficiencies of the camera can be fixed in firmware. Higher bitrate, sensor shift SR and flat picture profile. Better then Pentax camera's is fine. People expecting it to be better then thè other 36mp full frame camera's. I think it will be equal at best.