K-1 listed as one of the best wedding cameras

Nass · 02-27-2016, 06:09 AM

Yeah, not exactly a credible list this. As nice as it is for K1 to be on there, to have something untested and unavailable on there doesn't exactly inspire me with any confidence in Adorama's recommendations. I for one HATE it when I find the perfect XYZ online and it's only available on preorder or it's out of stock.

dakight · 02-27-2016, 06:44 AM

I think it's premature, but it is from Adorama, and they are in the business of selling cameras, so....

Kunzite · 02-27-2016, 07:18 AM - **3 Likes**

Credible or not... does it really matters?
The thing here is that Pentax was mentioned (as Zafar Iqbal said), without a full frame camera it would not be on that list (despite having the 645z - the list ignores medium format).

tuco · 02-27-2016, 07:55 AM - **2 Likes**

I'd think having an integrated, portable flash system with capabilities beyond what Ricoh offers in their system would be a very useful feature for a professional wedding photographer. But of course there are work-arounds that let you get by but I'd think that would a significant feature.

BrianR · 02-27-2016, 08:13 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mattt

pixel shift for portraiture... really?

After the reception- when guests are passed out drunk.

Or maybe Adorama is going to bring back those old Victorian-day posing stands with the neck clamp to help keep you from moving.

Gimbal · 02-27-2016, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

No, not all cameras have two slots.
- Canon EOS 5Ds has two slots, one CF and one SD. IMO that's the wrong way of doing things (for redundancy), as you'd need to have two card types.

Actually that is the right way of doing redundancy.
If you have two identical systems and a situation arises that causes a fault in one of them, chances are high that the identical system next to it will get the same fault.

Barry Pearson · 02-27-2016, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

Actually that is the right way of doing redundancy.
If you have two identical systems and a situation arises that causes a fault in one of them, chances are high that the identical system next to it will get the same fault.

Is that chance high? I suspect if that were the case, RAID 1 storage would be a bit more complicated in practice.

I do understand the concept that an unforeseen event might affect all similar devices in the vicinity. (Didn't the Space Shuttle have a number of computers, one of them independently programmed?) But if the aim is to protect against the "common" problems of a drive writing nonsense, or a card being lost or damaged, having the same type won't matter. (And if the problems is within the camera, before the data is sent separately to the drives, having two types of card won't solve the problem).

Gimbal · 02-27-2016, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

Is that chance high?

No, not until it happens. However, that is the right way of doing it.

Kunzite · 02-27-2016, 12:26 PM

Unless you can prove it with statistical data, I'll disagree

"Chances are high"? That's just an assumption, you don't know that. What we do know are the limitation of having to work with two types of cards. You would have to have enough of both types, and can't flexibly use a card in either slot.
In the end is not a big deal and can be solved by buying more cards, however this kind of solution is designed to allow you to use either SD or CFs, not for "extra" reliability.

**jatrax** · 02-27-2016, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

however this kind of solution is designed to allow you to use either SD or CFs, not for "extra" reliability.

I suppose the intent is also to allow owners moving from previous models that only used CF to gracefully transition to SD. Not a problem for Pentax, I think they have always been SD. But for users with a pocket full of CF cards it might make a difference.
I'm not sure I follow the logic on using two different card types for redundancy. Two different cards, yes. Unless the thought is the controller dies and thus either destroys one of the cards or just refuses to work. But surely if that happened it would affect both cards. From a theoretical view yes, having independent and different systems makes sense. But in this case we are talking about pretty much the same thing, two different media types but still the same thing. CF and SD readers on my computer are integrated on the same controller and USB port.
Now if you had a system that writes to the local memory card and also over WiFi sends the file to the cloud or a computer then maybe I see that as redundant.

rawr · 02-28-2016, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by dcBear78

Without a tried and tested focus system yet I find that hard to believe. I can't see the K-1 matching the performance of my D810 just yet in regards to focus.

Not all wedding shooters shoot D810, or even D750. Many wedding shooters happily use the Canon 6D. All that the 6D's 11-point AF has going for it is it's -3EV sensitivity, and the Canon AF algorithms. I feel confident that the K-1 will be able to do better.

The K-1 may even give the Canon 5DIII, (the camera most wedding shooters world-wide use, I suspect) a run for it's money, just on the AF specs.

However I agree that the most direct and interesting comparison will be between the D810 and K-1. I await those reviews and comparisons with great interest.

Gimbal · 02-28-2016, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

I'm not sure I follow the logic on using two different card types for redundancy. Two different cards, yes. Unless the thought is the controller dies and thus either destroys one of the cards or just refuses to work.

Two different card types also means that you will not put in two identical cards from the same production run with, possibly, the same manufacturing fault. Still a smal chance that that will happen, but that is what redundancy is all about, making sure that one fault will not kill the system. Having two identical systems that will fail with the same fault is a weaker type of a redundancy.

Kunzite · 02-28-2016, 05:17 AM

Are you saying that RAID is the wrong solution?

No offense, but you're insisting on a marginal possibility. What if cards are not from the same production run? What if they are, but they don't exhibit "the same manufacturing fault"? What if the cards don't see identical usage? How many people had two of their cards failing simultaneously?

**monochrome** · 02-28-2016, 06:01 AM

If the reason to buy or not buy a K-1 comes down to whether the dual card slot does or does not use identical format cards, their work is done.

hangman43 · 02-28-2016, 07:05 AM

Actually Adoroma saying it is one of the best wedding cameras before it is released is no worse than all the people on here judging the AF before it is even tested or claiming other things are not up to par. I am just glad to see someone being optimistic about the camera instead of all the negativity of so called fans of the brand.

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02-27-2016, 06:09 AM	#16
Nass Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The British Isles Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,402	Yeah, not exactly a credible list this. As nice as it is for K1 to be on there, to have something untested and unavailable on there doesn't exactly inspire me with any confidence in Adorama's recommendations. I for one HATE it when I find the perfect XYZ online and it's only available on preorder or it's out of stock.

02-27-2016, 06:44 AM	#17
dakight Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Photos: Albums Posts: 1,216	I think it's premature, but it is from Adorama, and they are in the business of selling cameras, so....

02-27-2016, 07:18 AM - 3 Likes	#18
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Credible or not... does it really matters? The thing here is that Pentax was mentioned (as Zafar Iqbal said), without a full frame camera it would not be on that list (despite having the 645z - the list ignores medium format).

02-27-2016, 07:55 AM - 2 Likes	#19
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,019	I'd think having an integrated, portable flash system with capabilities beyond what Ricoh offers in their system would be a very useful feature for a professional wedding photographer. But of course there are work-arounds that let you get by but I'd think that would a significant feature.

02-27-2016, 08:13 AM - 1 Like	#20
BrianR Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,332	Originally posted by mattt pixel shift for portraiture... really? After the reception- when guests are passed out drunk. Or maybe Adorama is going to bring back those old Victorian-day posing stands with the neck clamp to help keep you from moving.

02-27-2016, 09:37 AM	#21
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by Kunzite No, not all cameras have two slots. - Canon EOS 5Ds has two slots, one CF and one SD. IMO that's the wrong way of doing things (for redundancy), as you'd need to have two card types. Actually that is the right way of doing redundancy. If you have two identical systems and a situation arises that causes a fault in one of them, chances are high that the identical system next to it will get the same fault.

02-27-2016, 09:57 AM	#22
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by Gimbal Actually that is the right way of doing redundancy. If you have two identical systems and a situation arises that causes a fault in one of them, chances are high that the identical system next to it will get the same fault. Is that chance high? I suspect if that were the case, RAID 1 storage would be a bit more complicated in practice. I do understand the concept that an unforeseen event might affect all similar devices in the vicinity. (Didn't the Space Shuttle have a number of computers, one of them independently programmed?) But if the aim is to protect against the "common" problems of a drive writing nonsense, or a card being lost or damaged, having the same type won't matter. (And if the problems is within the camera, before the data is sent separately to the drives, having two types of card won't solve the problem).

02-27-2016, 10:05 AM	#23
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by Barry Pearson Is that chance high? No, not until it happens. However, that is the right way of doing it.

02-27-2016, 12:26 PM	#24
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Unless you can prove it with statistical data, I'll disagree "Chances are high"? That's just an assumption, you don't know that. What we do know are the limitation of having to work with two types of cards. You would have to have enough of both types, and can't flexibly use a card in either slot. In the end is not a big deal and can be solved by buying more cards, however this kind of solution is designed to allow you to use either SD or CFs, not for "extra" reliability.

02-27-2016, 06:03 PM	#25
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Kunzite however this kind of solution is designed to allow you to use either SD or CFs, not for "extra" reliability. I suppose the intent is also to allow owners moving from previous models that only used CF to gracefully transition to SD. Not a problem for Pentax, I think they have always been SD. But for users with a pocket full of CF cards it might make a difference. I'm not sure I follow the logic on using two different card types for redundancy. Two different cards, yes. Unless the thought is the controller dies and thus either destroys one of the cards or just refuses to work. But surely if that happened it would affect both cards. From a theoretical view yes, having independent and different systems makes sense. But in this case we are talking about pretty much the same thing, two different media types but still the same thing. CF and SD readers on my computer are integrated on the same controller and USB port. Now if you had a system that writes to the local memory card and also over WiFi sends the file to the cloud or a computer then maybe I see that as redundant.

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02-28-2016, 02:30 AM	#26
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by dcBear78 Without a tried and tested focus system yet I find that hard to believe. I can't see the K-1 matching the performance of my D810 just yet in regards to focus. Not all wedding shooters shoot D810, or even D750. Many wedding shooters happily use the Canon 6D. All that the 6D's 11-point AF has going for it is it's -3EV sensitivity, and the Canon AF algorithms. I feel confident that the K-1 will be able to do better. The K-1 may even give the Canon 5DIII, (the camera most wedding shooters world-wide use, I suspect) a run for it's money, just on the AF specs. However I agree that the most direct and interesting comparison will be between the D810 and K-1. I await those reviews and comparisons with great interest.

02-28-2016, 04:12 AM	#27
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	Originally posted by jatrax I'm not sure I follow the logic on using two different card types for redundancy. Two different cards, yes. Unless the thought is the controller dies and thus either destroys one of the cards or just refuses to work. Two different card types also means that you will not put in two identical cards from the same production run with, possibly, the same manufacturing fault. Still a smal chance that that will happen, but that is what redundancy is all about, making sure that one fault will not kill the system. Having two identical systems that will fail with the same fault is a weaker type of a redundancy.

02-28-2016, 05:17 AM	#28
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Are you saying that RAID is the wrong solution? No offense, but you're insisting on a marginal possibility. What if cards are not from the same production run? What if they are, but they don't exhibit "the same manufacturing fault"? What if the cards don't see identical usage? How many people had two of their cards failing simultaneously?

02-28-2016, 06:01 AM	#29
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	If the reason to buy or not buy a K-1 comes down to whether the dual card slot does or does not use identical format cards, their work is done.

02-28-2016, 07:05 AM	#30
hangman43 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Hueytown, Alabama Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,508	Actually Adoroma saying it is one of the best wedding cameras before it is released is no worse than all the people on here judging the AF before it is even tested or claiming other things are not up to par. I am just glad to see someone being optimistic about the camera instead of all the negativity of so called fans of the brand.