Originally posted by Pål Jensen One problem is that many images are DOF insensitive, this is when everything withing the image is in focus at the apertures in question. One example is at or near infinity. You can get exactly the same images DOF-wise at various aperture.
However, the main problem is that no one in their right mind buy an FF camera in order for it to be equivalent to an APS camera. You do not want the noise level of an APS camera when you buy an FF body. Presumably an APS owner will be happy with more noise. Insisting on equivalence between formats is totally futile as it negates the main reasons for different formats in the first place.
The noise level of APS-c is one stop worse than an FF at the same ISO. So, just use a lower ISO on your APS-c camera and a wider ƒ-stop and you have the the same noise. At the lowest ISO the differences are minimal anyway, I doubt you can tell the difference between 100 ISO FF and 100 ISO APS_c.
SO, no APS_c owners don't have to be happy with more noise and my post explains why. The only images where APS-c shooters have to be happy with more noise, are on those wide open images where the DoF is extremely shallow, and the FF is being exposed at a very high ISO. In the other 87.5% of the camera's range, the noise is the same.
But this is the kind of nonsense that gets tossed out there on a regular basis.
To give a really simple example. If you shoot a landscape at ƒ8, 1/60s 100 ISO, I can shoot ƒ5.6 1/120 100 ISO APS-c and have virtually the same noise, because at that ISO the difference is very small.
Instead of working in generalities, this will be much faster if you suggest an FF setting, ƒ stop, speed and ISO, you think the FF would have a noise advantage for. If you do the math, you'll discover, it's only true when the FF aperture is wide open, and you can sacrifice depth of field for better noise performance.
IN reference to your first point, one problem is that people buy FF cameras expecting dramatically better noise and low light performance, and what they get is marginally better noise and low light performance.