K1 How to by Tony Northrup

**Pål Jensen** · 07-16-2016, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by uday029

So I am not correct in saying that f2.8 lens on FF is not f 2.8 on APSC purely in terms of DOF? Again, I am talking this in terms of how the photography industry is wanting me to believe what a particular f-stop can do - i.e, create beautiful photos with blurred background or have everything in focus.
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No. It is again this mixing of apples and oranges that leads to all the confusion about this topic.

A max aperture of say 2.8 do not refer to DOF but the focal lenght of the lens divided by the lens max opening. Hence 2.8 is 2.8 by definition regardless of lens.
Aperture control the light intensity.
The photo industry have claimed nothing but this.
When you use different formats you'll tend to use different focal lenghts for the same angle of view. Different focal lenghts have different DOF. That's it.
Theres no rule or law thats says what DOF you should have at F: 2.8 at any angle of view.
DOF is a secondary issue of aperture just like motion blur is a secondary issue of shutter speed, but neither DOF or motion blur is involved in the definitions of aperture, shutterspeed, ISO, reciprocity or the stop system. It is all about exposure.

Racerdew · 07-16-2016, 12:17 PM - **1 Like**

Seemed like a fair review from someone who doesn't use Pentax.

npc · 07-18-2016, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by wizofoz

N.a.n. I don't think the critisism is because Tony didn't know (or didn't demonstrate knowledge of) the e-dial while navigating the menu's. It was, on my part at least, an observation that Tony, like most other reviewers, are not used to the Pentax way of doing things. As you pointed out, he found out where the fx1 button was during the video; clearly demonstrating lack of familiarity.

Excatly. If someone makes a "Tutorial" I would personally expect he is already an expert on the topic, not figuring (or missing) random features on the fly

zestoi · 07-18-2016, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by wizofoz

N.a.n. I don't think the critisism is because Tony didn't know (or didn't demonstrate knowledge of) the e-dial while navigating the menu's. It was, on my part at least, an observation that Tony, like most other reviewers, are not used to the Pentax way of doing things.

true it would have been better if he'd known about that but personally i hardly ever use the control dials to navigate the menus. in fact with my k1 i hardly ever have to dive into the menus at all

uday029 · 07-18-2016, 07:47 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by npc

Excatly. If someone makes a "Tutorial" I would personally expect he is already an expert on the topic, not figuring (or missing) random features on the fly

I don't understand the hate. Is there anyone else who has ever made such in-depth tutorial for K-1?Some of you might be super duper experts and know all at using your camera. For most of us, this kind of video tutorial is very helpful in knowing ins and outs, specially with such poor manuals Pentax puts out. All the time I hear people complaining about how "professionals" don't consider Pentax cameras. Now that some one makes a video about it, all you do is criticize. Can you please point me to someone who knows 100% of K-1's functions and is willing to invest their personal time to make a helpful tutorial? Can you point me to a better video tutorial of K-1?

zestoi · 07-18-2016, 09:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by uday029

I don't understand the hate. Is there anyone else who has ever made such in-depth tutorial for K-1?Some of you might be super duper experts and know all at using your camera. For most of us, this kind of video tutorial is very helpful in knowing ins and outs, specially with such poor manuals Pentax puts out. All the time I hear people complaining about how "professionals" don't consider Pentax cameras. Now that some one makes a video about it, all you do is criticize. Can you please point me to someone who knows 100% of K-1's functions and is willing to invest their personal time to make a helpful tutorial? Can you point me to a better video tutorial of K-1?

exactly... i don't understand the hate at all either. it was a decent video and i'm sure it's opened the eyes of more people to the k-1 who may not have even known about it before.

Tan68 · 07-20-2016, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by zestoi

exactly... i don't understand the hate at all either. it was a decent video and i'm sure it's opened the eyes of more people to the k-1 who may not have even known about it before.

I don't understand why the word 'hate' is used in place of 'criticism'. This trendy hyperbolic use of 'hate' really dilutes the meaning of the word.

**Mikesul** · 07-20-2016, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by Tan68

I don't understand why the word 'hate' is used in place of 'criticism'. This trendy hyperbolic use of 'hate' really dilutes the meaning of the word.

Because "criticism" implies good will and an honest (even if mistaken) evaluation of merit. I agree that hate is probably too intense for something as unimportant as Youtube photography videos but the tone of many posters in this unending thread has been repulsive and not in keeping with the PF I have enjoyed and learned from for 10 years.

uday029 · 07-20-2016, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

No. It is again this mixing of apples and oranges that leads to all the confusion about this topic.

A max aperture of say 2.8 do not refer to DOF but the focal lenght of the lens divided by the lens max opening. Hence 2.8 is 2.8 by definition regardless of lens.
Aperture control the light intensity.
The photo industry have claimed nothing but this.
When you use different formats you'll tend to use different focal lenghts for the same angle of view. Different focal lenghts have different DOF. That's it.
Theres no rule or law thats says what DOF you should have at F: 2.8 at any angle of view.
DOF is a secondary issue of aperture just like motion blur is a secondary issue of shutter speed, but neither DOF or motion blur is involved in the definitions of aperture, shutterspeed, ISO, reciprocity or the stop system. It is all about exposure.

ahh I see. Thanks for the clarification. Now I get it.

micromacro · 07-20-2016, 11:36 AM

I like Tony, it seems he did very good tutorial, and, if you read the comments, impressed a quite amount of strangers to Pentax.
Actually, I liked his preview on K-1 as well. There was so much crap around K-1 from the "experts", but Tony was neutral and professional, imo.
Good job.

vladfrenkel · 07-20-2016, 02:48 PM

Check his last video where he compares Canon vs Nikon systems. At the end, he summarize different cameras for different purposes and recommends what person should buy. Pentax is RECOMMENDED king for LANDSCAPE. His own words.

zestoi · 07-20-2016, 07:24 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Tan68

I don't understand why the word 'hate' is used in place of 'criticism'. This trendy hyperbolic use of 'hate' really dilutes the meaning of the word.

true the word hate is a bit over the top

but I'd say that a lot of the criticism against him in this thread has at least bit quite unfair and harsh.

HopelessTogger · 07-28-2016, 02:35 AM

You Tube

So, not really anything bad to say about Pentax.

Kunzite · 07-28-2016, 05:49 AM

Except for calling their last great success "the BIGGEST mistake", and claim they should've pulled a Samsung instead.

HopelessTogger · 07-28-2016, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Except for calling their last great success "the BIGGEST mistake", and claim they should've pulled a Samsung instead.

Yes, I didn't actually agree with Tony on that one, I think the K-1's an essential addition. But it was interesting to hear his praise for the brand.

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07-16-2016, 06:18 AM	#46
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by uday029 So I am not correct in saying that f2.8 lens on FF is not f 2.8 on APSC purely in terms of DOF? Again, I am talking this in terms of how the photography industry is wanting me to believe what a particular f-stop can do - i.e, create beautiful photos with blurred background or have everything in focus. . No. It is again this mixing of apples and oranges that leads to all the confusion about this topic. A max aperture of say 2.8 do not refer to DOF but the focal lenght of the lens divided by the lens max opening. Hence 2.8 is 2.8 by definition regardless of lens. Aperture control the light intensity. The photo industry have claimed nothing but this. When you use different formats you'll tend to use different focal lenghts for the same angle of view. Different focal lenghts have different DOF. That's it. Theres no rule or law thats says what DOF you should have at F: 2.8 at any angle of view. DOF is a secondary issue of aperture just like motion blur is a secondary issue of shutter speed, but neither DOF or motion blur is involved in the definitions of aperture, shutterspeed, ISO, reciprocity or the stop system. It is all about exposure.

07-16-2016, 12:17 PM - 1 Like	#47
Racerdew Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 285	Seemed like a fair review from someone who doesn't use Pentax.

07-18-2016, 02:05 PM	#48
npc Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 313	Originally posted by wizofoz N.a.n. I don't think the critisism is because Tony didn't know (or didn't demonstrate knowledge of) the e-dial while navigating the menu's. It was, on my part at least, an observation that Tony, like most other reviewers, are not used to the Pentax way of doing things. As you pointed out, he found out where the fx1 button was during the video; clearly demonstrating lack of familiarity. Excatly. If someone makes a "Tutorial" I would personally expect he is already an expert on the topic, not figuring (or missing) random features on the fly

07-18-2016, 05:38 PM	#49
zestoi Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: British ExPat in Bucharest Posts: 86	Originally posted by wizofoz N.a.n. I don't think the critisism is because Tony didn't know (or didn't demonstrate knowledge of) the e-dial while navigating the menu's. It was, on my part at least, an observation that Tony, like most other reviewers, are not used to the Pentax way of doing things. true it would have been better if he'd known about that but personally i hardly ever use the control dials to navigate the menus. in fact with my k1 i hardly ever have to dive into the menus at all

07-18-2016, 07:47 PM - 1 Like	#50
uday029 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 505	Originally posted by npc Excatly. If someone makes a "Tutorial" I would personally expect he is already an expert on the topic, not figuring (or missing) random features on the fly I don't understand the hate. Is there anyone else who has ever made such in-depth tutorial for K-1?Some of you might be super duper experts and know all at using your camera. For most of us, this kind of video tutorial is very helpful in knowing ins and outs, specially with such poor manuals Pentax puts out. All the time I hear people complaining about how "professionals" don't consider Pentax cameras. Now that some one makes a video about it, all you do is criticize. Can you please point me to someone who knows 100% of K-1's functions and is willing to invest their personal time to make a helpful tutorial? Can you point me to a better video tutorial of K-1?

07-18-2016, 09:55 PM - 1 Like	#51
zestoi Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: British ExPat in Bucharest Posts: 86	Originally posted by uday029 I don't understand the hate. Is there anyone else who has ever made such in-depth tutorial for K-1?Some of you might be super duper experts and know all at using your camera. For most of us, this kind of video tutorial is very helpful in knowing ins and outs, specially with such poor manuals Pentax puts out. All the time I hear people complaining about how "professionals" don't consider Pentax cameras. Now that some one makes a video about it, all you do is criticize. Can you please point me to someone who knows 100% of K-1's functions and is willing to invest their personal time to make a helpful tutorial? Can you point me to a better video tutorial of K-1? exactly... i don't understand the hate at all either. it was a decent video and i'm sure it's opened the eyes of more people to the k-1 who may not have even known about it before.

07-20-2016, 03:17 AM	#52
Tan68 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 501	Originally posted by zestoi exactly... i don't understand the hate at all either. it was a decent video and i'm sure it's opened the eyes of more people to the k-1 who may not have even known about it before. I don't understand why the word 'hate' is used in place of 'criticism'. This trendy hyperbolic use of 'hate' really dilutes the meaning of the word.

07-20-2016, 06:38 AM	#53
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by Tan68 I don't understand why the word 'hate' is used in place of 'criticism'. This trendy hyperbolic use of 'hate' really dilutes the meaning of the word. Because "criticism" implies good will and an honest (even if mistaken) evaluation of merit. I agree that hate is probably too intense for something as unimportant as Youtube photography videos but the tone of many posters in this unending thread has been repulsive and not in keeping with the PF I have enjoyed and learned from for 10 years.

07-20-2016, 09:19 AM	#54
uday029 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 505	Originally posted by Pål Jensen No. It is again this mixing of apples and oranges that leads to all the confusion about this topic. A max aperture of say 2.8 do not refer to DOF but the focal lenght of the lens divided by the lens max opening. Hence 2.8 is 2.8 by definition regardless of lens. Aperture control the light intensity. The photo industry have claimed nothing but this. When you use different formats you'll tend to use different focal lenghts for the same angle of view. Different focal lenghts have different DOF. That's it. Theres no rule or law thats says what DOF you should have at F: 2.8 at any angle of view. DOF is a secondary issue of aperture just like motion blur is a secondary issue of shutter speed, but neither DOF or motion blur is involved in the definitions of aperture, shutterspeed, ISO, reciprocity or the stop system. It is all about exposure. ahh I see. Thanks for the clarification. Now I get it.

07-20-2016, 11:36 AM	#55
micromacro Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,722	I like Tony, it seems he did very good tutorial, and, if you read the comments, impressed a quite amount of strangers to Pentax. Actually, I liked his preview on K-1 as well. There was so much crap around K-1 from the "experts", but Tony was neutral and professional, imo. Good job.

07-20-2016, 02:48 PM	#56
vladfrenkel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 265 Original Poster	Check his last video where he compares Canon vs Nikon systems. At the end, he summarize different cameras for different purposes and recommends what person should buy. Pentax is RECOMMENDED king for LANDSCAPE. His own words.

07-20-2016, 07:24 PM - 1 Like	#57
zestoi Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: British ExPat in Bucharest Posts: 86	Originally posted by Tan68 I don't understand why the word 'hate' is used in place of 'criticism'. This trendy hyperbolic use of 'hate' really dilutes the meaning of the word. true the word hate is a bit over the top but I'd say that a lot of the criticism against him in this thread has at least bit quite unfair and harsh.

07-28-2016, 05:49 AM	#59
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Except for calling their last great success "the BIGGEST mistake", and claim they should've pulled a Samsung instead.

07-28-2016, 08:59 AM	#60
HopelessTogger Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Roi-et, Thailand Posts: 773	Originally posted by Kunzite Except for calling their last great success "the BIGGEST mistake", and claim they should've pulled a Samsung instead. Yes, I didn't actually agree with Tony on that one, I think the K-1's an essential addition. But it was interesting to hear his praise for the brand.