Originally posted by Rondec Clearly Pentax has flaws. If you looked at it/read it, you would see that the particular thing that Zapp linked to was specifically oriented towards APS-C cameras. The lens variety mentioned was for APS-C specific lenses, not full frame ones and indicated that Pentax has 24 crop lenses versus other brands having fewer. Regardless of the reason for it, there are many people for whom crop cameras are ideal and that lens selection for APS-C is nice to have available. That said, I am convinced that Ricoh is working on more full frame lenses and that by this time next year there will be a more complete full frame line up.
Obviously on both accounts (Pentax has flaws and Ricoh is working on more FF lenses). But my claim wasn't ever that APS-C didn't have it's value (where did you get that from me?). I should know as I'm currently using an APS-C system.
Originally posted by Rondec As to the whole rebadged Tamron thing, the lenses work, I haven't had issues with them and only two of the five are Tamron rebadges. The 28-105, 70-200, and 150-450 are Pentax designed and built.
Yes they work fine, there is nothing wrong with their quality, but that is missing my point entirely.
Originally posted by Rondec As far as I know, Nikon also uses Precision, for what its worth and unless you pay for professional service, I don't think you get much better service than what Pentaxians get.
Anyway, I don't find it particularly useful to bash any brand -- not Sony, Canon, Nikon or any of the others out there. Each one has examples of hyperbole on their web site, plenty of advertising-speak, and each one glosses over any weaknesses they might have. Ricoh isn't different in that respect, but I still find their gear to be high quality and give good bang for the buck.
Well, yes, Nikon uses Precision but they also use a handful of other repair facilities across the country. Your pick.
We don't have a pick. Nor do we have Professional service in the same manner as Nikon or Canon, since you mentioned it.
It is interesting how you've gone into defensive mode over the brand, as a result of a minor amount of negativity towards the brand. It again furthers my point.. since I wasn't bashing the brand.
Let me make it clear, *I* wouldn't be using the brand's products if I didn't value them. However, I also know the dangers of coveting them. And, having experience in the aspects I found needing work, see the brand still has it's work cut out for it. Brand fanboys don't see that and want to cultivate an environment where everything is rosy and fine. And I'm seeing that even in this thread, by the responses. Instead of either accepting or dismissing the claims, people miss the points and attack the point maker as a result of them sensing a disturbance in the force.
It makes for a rather one way discussion on the forums as it is only
friendly here if you take your number, get in line, and keep your head down. No soup for you!
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Originally posted by rbelyell i think what hes saying is pretty simple to grasp, and i have made the same observation: there are many who post here frequently who brook no criticism of pentax. period. and they express that not in well thought out reasoning--which is fine--but in thinly veiled--and often not so thinly veiled--ad hominim attacks on the poster and/or ridiculous characterizations of the original criticisms/observations. even a cursory review of this thread amply demonstrates that point. in this respect, unfortunately, this forum does not distinguish itself from most other forums, where users conflate their gear with their ego, or their family, to be defended to the death. i think if we stick to reasoned debate, there would be no issue at all.
Thank you, sir! On the nose.