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11-28-2016, 07:08 AM - 1 Like   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by lithedreamer Quote
According to Asahiman, Ricoh has a number of primes in the pipeline, but from what I could gather, no D-FA* 24-70 for the time being.
I don't expect one any time soon, but when you look at the 24-70mm offering from Canon, Nikon, & Sony, the rebadged Tamron 24-70mm is not that impressive. If Ricoh is going to compete then the 24-70mm is too important of a lens for it to be average. Optically, I think the 28-105mm is a better lens. The 15-30mm Tamron/Pentax is an excellent lens and competes very well with the competition.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
I don't expect one any time soon, but when you look at the 24-70mm offering from Canon, Nikon, & Sony, the rebadged Tamron 24-70mm is not that impressive. If Ricoh is going to compete then the 24-70mm is too important of a lens for it to be average. Optically, I think the 28-105mm is a better lens. The 15-30mm Tamron/Pentax is an excellent lens and competes very well with the competition.
Where do you find the Pentax 24-70 falls short, technically?
11-28-2016, 07:00 PM   #33
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Where do you find the Pentax 24-70 falls short, technically?
Relative to the Canon, Nikon, Sony options, its just not on the same level and the 24-70mm is too important of a lens to be average. For many wedding shooters the 24-70mm is the main lens. The Tarmon/Pentax is also 1/2 the price of the competition so that justifies some of the difference in quality. The 15-30mm and the 70-200mm are both excellent lenses that compare very well with the offerings from Canon, Nikon, & Sony, so its a shame that the 24-70mm is not in the same league. Its still a good lens and better than the Sigma option or the older Tamron. I think the 28-105mm is a better lens for the money. Hopefully we see the D-FA* 24-105mm F/4 soon.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Relative to the Canon, Nikon, Sony options, its just not on the same level and the 24-70mm is too important of a lens to be average. For many wedding shooters the 24-70mm is the main lens. The Tarmon/Pentax is also 1/2 the price of the competition so that justifies some of the difference in quality. The 15-30mm and the 70-200mm are both excellent lenses that compare very well with the offerings from Canon, Nikon, & Sony, so its a shame that the 24-70mm is not in the same league. Its still a good lens and better than the Sigma option or the older Tamron. I think the 28-105mm is a better lens for the money. Hopefully we see the D-FA* 24-105mm F/4 soon.
...right. How does it fall short, technically?

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...right. How does it fall short, technically?

There are a lot of comparison reviews. Take your pick.
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Canon 24-70 F2.8 II vs. Tamron 24-70 VC Shootout - YouTube

There are a lot of comparison reviews. Take your pick.
I think the only downside for Pentax 24-70 is spherical aberration. But if I really need those perfect bokeh circles, I will pick a prime for it.
IQ is as sharp as you will need and as good looking as any other lens with Pentax coating.

I mean, if you do Photography as a profession, by all means, you need the best 24-70 there is.
But if you are just having fun with it, Pentax 24-70 is great for its price tag.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JohsonChou Quote
I mean, if you do Photography as a profession, by all means, you need the best 24-70 there is.
But if you are just having fun with it, Pentax 24-70 is great for its price tag.
For the money, the HD D-FA 28-105mm is the best. Faster AF, very sharp, and great contrast.
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The Great 24-70mm F2.8 Shootout! (Featuring Sony, Pentax, Canon and Nikon) - YouTube

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For the money, the HD D-FA 28-105mm is the best. Faster AF, very sharp, and great contrast.
You can't do 70mm/2.8 portrait though...

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QuoteOriginally posted by JohsonChou Quote
You can't do 70mm/2.8 portrait though...
This is true. For certain types of portraiture that will be important, but for the majority of portraiture it won't. In studio I rarely shoot 70mm F/2.8 even when using my D-FA* 70-200mm. When working outside with available light I tend to go with primes and the 85mm F/1.4 is my go-to lens. With a couple of strobes and controlled background I don't spend much time at F/2.8 at any focal length. F/2.8 is not great for group portraits so it really only comes into play for head shots. For group portraits and environmental portraits 70mm F/2.8 is not what I will be using.
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Exactly, for those portraits you usually take with 85/1.4, you can use 70/2.8 if you are not a pro and don't want to spend another $1000 for the lens. Same thing with 35/1.4 and 50/1.4

Yes, 28-105 + 35 prime + 85 prime is the perfect solution. But 24-70 does good enough job and it is cheaper and lazier. Being lazy is important for modern society.
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But 24-70 does good enough job and it is cheaper and lazier. Being lazy is important for modern society
By that logic you should just get a Sony RX10. Even cheaper and lazier.

There is nothing really wrong with the 24-70mm lens. I just wish it was better. I just hope Ricoh releases a D-FA* version in the future.
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By that logic you should just get a Sony RX10. Even cheaper and lazier.

There is nothing really wrong with the 24-70mm lens. I just wish it was better. I just hope Ricoh releases a D-FA* version in the future.
I have a Sony A6000 with 18-200 for laziness.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Canon 24-70 F2.8 II vs. Tamron 24-70 VC Shootout - YouTube

There are a lot of comparison reviews. Take your pick.
Well that's helpful. You seem insistent that this lens is terrible, I thought you'd have actual experience with it.
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Note: I am an "average punter" not a pro nor even an advanced user. I have all three.

Perhaps it's because I prefer primes, but I am somewhat underwhelmed by the 24-70 - nothing specific, but it just doesn't quite do it for me. It is big and heavy. Maybe that'll change over time if I get into more low light action photography that requires fixed 2.8.

Currently, f I have to take a zoom, I prefer the 28-105 as a walk round/holiday lens as it is versatile, lightweight, WR and gives very good images.

The 31 is lovely, indeed, and a very special lens, but expensive.
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...but the 35 1.4 Art is stunning. I do like "arty" shots though. Focus is quick, accurate and quiet. It balances the K1 nicely, and teamed with the 28-105, you'd have a lot of situations covered for less $$ than the 24-70.
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QuoteOriginally posted by snpsht Quote
Note: I am an "average punter" not a pro nor even an advanced user. I have all three.

Perhaps it's because I prefer primes, but I am somewhat underwhelmed by the 24-70 - nothing specific, but it just doesn't quite do it for me. It is big and heavy. Maybe that'll change over time if I get into more low light action photography that requires fixed 2.8.

Currently, f I have to take a zoom, I prefer the 28-105 as a walk round/holiday lens as it is versatile, lightweight, WR and gives very good images.

The 31 is lovely, indeed, and a very special lens, but expensive.
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...but the 35 1.4 Art is stunning. I do like "arty" shots though. Focus is quick, accurate and quiet. It balances the K1 nicely, and teamed with the 28-105, you'd have a lot of situations covered for less $$ than the 24-70.
It'd be nice to have something wider than 28mm sometimes, though.
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