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08-08-2018, 01:24 PM - 1 Like   #31
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Aye but is there life after Tasmania... with all them Devils and such.
Yes, lots developed their swimming skills to escape those Devils!

Melbourne proves that ! Adelaide proved some were long distance swimmers!

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Yes, lots developed their swimming skills to escape those Devils!
Fast swimmers too... to dodge all them sharks.

Another milestone posting, your my 37,000 post...
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Before the K-1 arrived I started putting an FA lens kit together, the K-1 took a long time to arrive and I went for a P6x7 instead, but use the FA lenses on my film bodies. When it came to a wide-angle wider than 28mm I was a bit stuck. I couldn't decide between the 20 & 24mm options (both were 'rare and expensive' and I could only justify one). I then found a 20-35/4 which is perfect for my needs (a little slow for film in dim conditions without high ISO options) but a very good range and it's relatively compact.
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Are we talking about wide-angle here, or UWA? In the days of manual focus film, I heard a lot about 28mm, and some about 24mm, but little wider than that - which is probably why few used lenses are wider than that.
In the film days I can only think of three lenses that were UWA's. The K15, A20/FA20, and the FA20-35. In those days the 15 and 20mm primes were way out of my price range. They still are today. Many people were talking about the DFA 15-30, which starts out as a UWA. Making a FF lens below 24mm is very difficult and they are not cheap. The widest lens I had back then was an A24-50. I really liked that lens. Now I have a FA 20-35.

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In the film days I can only think of three lenses that were UWA's. The K15, A20/FA20, and the FA20-35. In those days the 15 and 20mm primes were way out of my price range. They still are today. Many people were talking about the DFA 15-30, which starts out as a UWA. Making a FF lens below 24mm is very difficult and they are not cheap. The widest lens I had back then was an A24-50. I really liked that lens. Now I have a FA 20-35.
There's also the K18, K20 and M20, and the FA J 18-35. Don't think the OP particularly mentioned whether they were after ultra-wide or not.
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QuoteOriginally posted by h4yn0nnym0u5e Quote
There's also the K18, K20 and M20, and the FA J 18-35. Don't think the OP particularly mentioned whether they were after ultra-wide or not.
Oh yeah I forgot about those. I actually remember trying to find a M20 F4 back years ago. I never did get one. I settled on the 24-50. I liked that one because of the A setting which was very handy my Super Program. I used that Super Program right up till I got my K10D.
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I also prefer a 16-35 f/4 vs a faster lens, so that would be nice.
I would actually prefer an 18-35 f4-5.6. A Pentax designed 16-35 f4 would be nearly as expensive as the DFA 15-30 and perhaps only a half a pound lighter. An 18-35 f4-5.6 with comparable optics to the DFA 28-105 would be lighter and less expensive than the f4 zoom and, along
with the ~70-300 zoom on the roadmap, would make for a lightweight, relatively inexpensive variable aperture zoom trio. And unlike the variable aperture trio offered by Canon and Nikon, the Pentax would feature fairly high-end optics.

What is curious about Pentax's projected FF lineup is that it's top heavy with telephoto zooms. When the 70-200/4 and the ~70-300 come out, Pentax will have three zooms covering the 70-200 range, two zooms covering the 28-70 range, and only one zoom covering the rectilinear 15 to 30 range. It is often said that FF is better for wide angle, yet Pentax seems more intent on meeting the FF zoom needs of telephoto shooters.
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The K-1 is also supposed to be "the landscaper's camera" which I think continues the odd-ness of this situation. Maybe 50mm is the new landscaper's focal length?

I'm a bit surprised some 3rd party company hasn't done a clone job on the M 20 f4 yet. That lens commands an ebay price (so maybe not real-world, grain of salt and all that) which makes me think Samyang or Laowa or whoever could sell copies with a street price of $400 to $500 USD and make money.

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QuoteOriginally posted by northcoastgreg Quote
I would actually prefer an 18-35 f4-5.6. A Pentax designed 16-35 f4 would be nearly as expensive as the DFA 15-30 and perhaps only a half a pound lighter. An 18-35 f4-5.6 with comparable optics to the DFA 28-105 would be lighter and less expensive than the f4 zoom and, along
with the ~70-300 zoom on the roadmap, would make for a lightweight, relatively inexpensive variable aperture zoom trio. And unlike the variable aperture trio offered by Canon and Nikon, the Pentax would feature fairly high-end optics.

What is curious about Pentax's projected FF lineup is that it's top heavy with telephoto zooms. When the 70-200/4 and the ~70-300 come out, Pentax will have three zooms covering the 70-200 range, two zooms covering the 28-70 range, and only one zoom covering the rectilinear 15 to 30 range. It is often said that FF is better for wide angle, yet Pentax seems more intent on meeting the FF zoom needs of telephoto shooters.
This would be ok as long as the optics were good. I rarely use my landscape lenses even close to wide open and I imagine a lot of other people are in the same boat. The DFA 28-105 seems to be a good lens that beats most variable aperture lenses out there. I think I get caught up in the stigma of variable aperture lenses because I don't care for mediocre lenses.
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The downside of the 12-24 is that its not WR. Which would be super helpful for a travel/landscape lens.

The 15-30 is great...I'd honestly be surprised if a prime was actually much better from an image quality standpoint. You could get faster/lighter/smaller, but not necessarily better.

I'd be happy if there was a DFA WR 20 1.8/2.8 that I could bring along in addition to the 28-105 as a travel and hiking lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by pres589 Quote
The K-1 is also supposed to be "the landscaper's camera" which I think continues the odd-ness of this situation. Maybe 50mm is the new landscaper's focal length?
50mm on full frame is an excellent general purpose focal length. If we are going to pigeon hole landscape lenses as always wide angle, then we might as well continue down that path and admit that landscapes always require deep depth of field.
Now, what does Pentax have on the market that is wide angle, has very good imaging quality and gives excellent depth of field?
They have the landscape user in the bag with the 15-30 f/2.8, and it's only a hundred dollars more than the D FA 50/1.4 (which is an excellent landscape lens).

As an example of what can be done with a standard focal length, I give you the following picture, shot with the 31mm LTD on an APS-C sized camera. This is a nine image stitch, which was required to get the entire scene into one picture.
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I actually remember trying to find a M20 F4 back years ago. I never did get one. .
QuoteOriginally posted by pres589 Quote
I'm a bit surprised some 3rd party company hasn't done a clone job on the M 20 f4 yet. That lens commands an ebay price (so maybe not real-world, grain of salt and all that) which makes me think Samyang or Laowa or whoever could sell copies with a street price of $400 to $500 USD and make money.
And yet ... looking back over the sold items on PF, the last M 20 f/4 offered sold for only $235, less than half its unadjusted original retail in 1978 of $498! And that was after having its price lowered three times. I just got one off eBay for a similar amount. So it may be that there's actually not that much love for a slowish 20mm - everyone these days seems to want to lug around a super-corrected fast 15mm...

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As an example of what can be done with a standard focal length, I give you the following picture, shot with the 31mm LTD on an APS-C sized camera. This is a nin image stitch, which was required to get the entire scene into one picture.
Can be done, yes. But I'd imagine that most people wouldn't want to make that effort if they could use a 10mm (APS-C) or 15mm (FF) lens instead. Otherwise we'd all own just a 100mm macro, and that rather nice image would have taken about 100 images stitched together!
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QuoteOriginally posted by LensBeginner Quote
There's the 15-30, which is very, very good, and the third-party Irix 15, which I'm actually drooling over...
They have wider holes in the lineup to plug, IMHO.
I stopped drooling and bought one. Very pleased I did too ...
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