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03-08-2019, 11:34 AM - 2 Likes   #1
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Comparing costs of a FF setup

Interesting article here on PetaPixel.
How Much a Full Pro Camera and Lens Set Costs for Each Brand

Though the methodology isn't ideal, Pentax does come out well ahead from a value perspective.

And the comments are interesting.

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QuoteOriginally posted by SteveinSLC Quote
Interesting article here on PetaPixel.
How Much a Full Pro Camera and Lens Set Costs for Each Brand

Though the methodology isn't ideal, Pentax does come out well ahead from a value perspective.

And the comments are interesting.
All of the other systems are using pro-grade native glass. The Pentax version is using manual focus Rokinon glass and glass that is definitely dated compared to the other. The Canon and Nikon lists are also using some rather dated glass. Since autofocus isn't a requirement for this list, every lens listed could be put on the Sony. If they are going to use 3rd party for the Pentax then they need to use 3rd party for the others on the list as well.
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QuoteOriginally posted by SteveinSLC Quote
Interesting article here on PetaPixel.
How Much a Full Pro Camera and Lens Set Costs for Each Brand

Though the methodology isn't ideal, Pentax does come out well ahead from a value perspective.

And the comments are interesting.
Of course different cameras have different areas of strength {focusing for Nikon, for example}, but people who like to complain about Pentax prices clearly don't understand what other companies charge.
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We're all familiar with Pentax's challenges but let's put that aside.

People will nitpick the choices in the lineups but it kind of shows the challenge for Olympus.
You can get many APS-C setups for the same price as an Olympus setup without much of a size/weight penalty.
So they are squeezed from above and then squeezed from below by cell phones.

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QuoteOriginally posted by SteveinSLC Quote
Interesting article here on PetaPixel.
How Much a Full Pro Camera and Lens Set Costs for Each Brand

Though the methodology isn't ideal, Pentax does come out well ahead from a value perspective.

And the comments are interesting.
Thank you that is really helpful.

Pentax compares well, and I think when the D FA 85mm and the wide prime are added over the next few years, it will compare even better, even if it adds 1 or 2 thousand to the total price.

This article also reinforces that the major manufacturer FF camera and lens systems are significantly more expensive than APS-C and M4/3 systems.
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All of the other systems are using pro-grade native glass. The Pentax version is using manual focus Rokinon glass and glass that is definitely dated compared to the other. The Canon and Nikon lists are also using some rather dated glass. Since autofocus isn't a requirement for this list, every lens listed could be put on the Sony. If they are going to use 3rd party for the Pentax then they need to use 3rd party for the others on the list as well.
You're right, including the Rokinons throws things off a little, though they are optically pretty much as good as the major brand lenses.
But even if you take those focal lengths out, and match up only the AF lenses, Pentax still has a pretty big price advantage over Canon, Nikon and Sony.
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QuoteOriginally posted by SteveinSLC Quote

And the comments are interesting.
Somebody set that guy straight who is saying all of the Pentax lenses listed are Pentax branded Tamrons
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All of the other systems are using pro-grade native glass. The Pentax version is using manual focus Rokinon glass and glass that is definitely dated compared to the other
The problem Winder is that you always assume that everyone has as much money as you to drop on camera equipment. Those 24 and 135 primes are a luxury, the Pentax DFA zooms in the lens set already cover those focal length. You don't need all of this , you can take outstanding images with skills and without the 24 and 135 primes. I have already 7 lenses for my K1 and K1 II , and I can tell you that's already way too much.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
All of the other systems are using pro-grade native glass. The Pentax version is using manual focus Rokinon glass and glass that is definitely dated compared to the other. The Canon and Nikon lists are also using some rather dated glass.
So you believe lenses have a "use by" date like milk does??
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I don't want to be that guy, but the Pentax lineup lack some of the lenses used in the comparison. They substituted third party MF alternatives, i.e. Rokinon. Just saying...
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Nikon gets a cost advantage by including its 50/1.4G in the lineup, but, that aside, even substituting the Rokinons for the other brands’ 24 and 135 lenses leaves the Pentax group cost well below the others. If the old Pentax 50/1.4 had been included (it’s still available new), the cost advantage would have been more stark.
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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
The problem Winder is that you always assume that everyone has as much money as you to drop on camera equipment. Those 24 and 135 primes are a luxury, the Pentax DFA zooms in the lens set already cover those focal length. You don't need all of this , you can take outstanding images with skills and without the 24 and 135 primes. I have already 7 lenses for my K1 and K1 II , and I can tell you that's already way too much.
How much money I have or don't have is irrelevant to that list or what I think about it. They use the Canon 50mm F/1.2.... Why? Canon makes a 50mm F/1.4. They included the 50mm F/1.4 for all the other brands.


I'm not saying anyone needs or doesn't need anything. I do agree with you about most of what you are saying, but that has nothing to do with the list. The Rokinon 135mm is an excellent lens for the money, but you can buy it for every camera system listed so they need to stay consistent. IF the goal of the list is cost and we are included 3rd party lenses, then include 3rd party lenses for all of the brands, not just Pentax.

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So you believe lenses have a "use by" date like milk does??
The age of the glass has nothing to do with what I think. If we are going to compare the cost for "Professional" systems then the bar is a little higher than it is for the enthusiast. There are several lenses on the list (for all brands) where the Sigma ART series is actually a better lens for less money. There is some older glass on the list with dated AF and optical designs that wouldn't be the first choice of most professionals. There are a lot of professionals who shoot with Sigma for that very reason.

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Nikon gets a cost advantage by including its 50/1.4G in the lineup, but, that aside, even substituting the Rokinons for the other brands’ 24 and 135 lenses leaves the Pentax group cost well below the others. If the old Pentax 50/1.4 had been included (it’s still available new), the cost advantage would have been more stark.
Now include the Tokina versions of the 24mm-70mm and 15-30mm which are available for Canon and Nikon for less than the K-mount versions. Let's throw in the Tamron or Sigma 70-200mm for Canon/Nikon since we are using 3rd party lenses.


Pentax is using the 77mm F/1.8. What about using the Canon/Nikon/Sony 85mm F/1.8 instead of the F/1.4 versions?


Why is there not a 35mm on this list?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
Now include the Tokina versions of the 24mm-70mm and 15-30mm which are available for Canon and Nikon for less than the K-mount versions. Let's throw in the Tamron or Sigma 70-200mm for Canon/Nikon since we are using 3rd party lenses.


Pentax is using the 77mm F/1.8. What about using the Canon/Nikon/Sony 85mm F/1.8 instead of the F/1.4 versions?


Why is there not a 35mm on this list?
I think we’re agreed that the comparison isn’t perfect.
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Now include the Tokina versions of the 24mm-70mm and 15-30mm which are available for Canon and Nikon for less than the K-mount versions. Let's throw in the Tamron or Sigma 70-200mm for Canon/Nikon since we are using 3rd party lenses.


Pentax is using the 77mm F/1.8. What about using the Canon/Nikon/Sony 85mm F/1.8 instead of the F/1.4 versions?


Why is there not a 35mm on this list?

It's not a perfect comparison. But if you're going to nit-pick, at least get your nit-picking right...there's no such thing as a Tokina 15-30, for any mount.
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The Nikon 50 f1.4 G is a joke compared to the Sony and Pentax 50mm 1.4 modern lenses. The lens is very much like the FA 50 f1.4 which is lovely for what it is but not in the same class as the new DFA 50. At a minumum they should have included their 58mm which is massively more costly (still no equal to the DFA).
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