Why did you go full frame?

**Mbaez** · 04-20-2021, 07:52 AM

Portraits and shallower depth of field.

Nayu · 04-21-2021, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Then should consider the K-3iii and going back to “APS-C”.

The AF improvements are tempting along with the better low light performance! However I don't have large aperture lenses so the K-1 ii helps a bit there. Why the quotes around APS-C?

reh321 · 04-21-2021, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Nayu

The AF improvements are tempting along with the better low light performance! However I don't have large aperture lenses so the K-1 ii helps a bit there. Why the quotes around APS-C?

I guess it is just a personal idiosyncrasy to write “APS-C” and “FF”.
Those are common designations, but the origins are kind of strange.

weverka · 04-21-2021, 07:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

I guess it is just a personal idiosyncrasy to write “APS-C” and “FF”.
Those are common designations, but the origins are kind of strange.

My favorite is the "one inch" sensor, which has a 16mm diagonal!

Nayu · 04-21-2021, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by reh321

I guess it is just a personal idiosyncrasy to write “APS-C” and “FF”.
Those are common designations, but the origins are kind of strange.

Now that I think about it, I guess MF would be fuller frame...

---------- Post added 04-21-21 at 11:18 PM ----------

Originally posted by weverka

My favorite is the "one inch" sensor, which has a 16mm diagonal!

I just read a bit about this and I feel scammed hahaha

hadi · 04-22-2021, 06:14 AM

I wanted to get more real estate out of my sensor, and to get a shallower depth of field, and also for low light capabilities, without having to crank the ISOs too high.

by real estate, i mean my 50mm didn't require me to stand FAR away to capture something. with the full frame, even an 85 was a perfect lens to use indoors. the crop wont allow me to do so.

i'm happy i switched.

awscreo · 04-22-2021, 06:38 AM

I'm glad I eventually upgraded to ff, raws from my k-1 look better than ones from my pls Olympus EM1 and from GRIII. Cleaner shadows, better color & tone, super flexible raws. Trade offs are obvious too, size, bulk, price etc etc.

reh321 · 04-22-2021, 07:48 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by hadi

I wanted to get more real estate out of my sensor, and to get a shallower depth of field, and also for low light capabilities, without having to crank the ISOs too high.

by real estate, i mean my 50mm didn't require me to stand FAR away to capture something. with the full frame, even an 85 was a perfect lens to use indoors. the crop wont allow me to do so.

My KP gives me good shots at ISO values 12K or higher, and I expect even better from the K-3iii.
I use wider lenses - say at 30mm - instead of 50mm.
So in general, these reasons may be great for you, but I wouldn't switch to a K-1 for either of them.

**Lowell Goudge** · 04-22-2021, 10:39 AM

i have mixed reasons including but not limited to:
- similar or better high ISO performance than K5 with no reduction in resolution
- improved AF performance
- compatibility with latest lenses

and knowing that i only own only 2 cropped sensor lenses (sigma 10-20 and samyang 8mm fisheye) every other lens i own from 14mm to 500 mm (at the time) was full frame already

hadi · 04-26-2021, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by reh321

My KP gives me good shots at ISO values 12K or higher, and I expect even better from the K-3iii.
I use wider lenses - say at 30mm - instead of 50mm.
So in general, these reasons may be great for you, but I wouldn't switch to a K-1 for either of them.

oh absolutely! I mean, if the camera gear you have works for you, then no need to 'upgrade'. If I wasn't into portraits, and preferred, say, wildlife, then I'd go with crop.
Moreover, if my photoshop skills were better, then it wont really matter what camera gear i have.

Mr. B · 05-05-2021, 01:43 AM

Started with the K10D, moved to m43.
I realised I miss the shallow DoF sometimes and using old lenses (K mount and m42)
So I bought the K-1. Amazing camera

Love the dynamic range and the amazing resolution

**Rondec** · 05-05-2021, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by reh321

My KP gives me good shots at ISO values 12K or higher, and I expect even better from the K-3iii.
I use wider lenses - say at 30mm - instead of 50mm.
So in general, these reasons may be great for you, but I wouldn't switch to a K-1 for either of them.

Of course. This thread is about personal reasons for going full frame. They don't necessarily apply to anyone else. You shoot telephoto a lot. I seldom shoot anything longer than my FA 135mm on my K-1. Neither one of us is wrong, but it certainly will lead us in different directions as far as gear we choose.

**travelswsage** · 05-06-2021, 03:26 PM - **1 Like**

I got old and my 4x5 got to heavy. And the Pentax 67 wasn't much lighter. And don't get me started on the cost of film and processing ... hence full-frame digital.

5ks · 05-07-2021, 08:59 AM

This thread is a wonderful listing of arguments with various aspects and motives. I appreciate you all sharing your views.

If I re-think my own reasons for purchasing K-1, the most important were options for a shallow DOF and better high ISO performance. Third - 36 Mpix, I guess, or the overall improved image quality. I'm very happy with my K-1, although it's not perfect. (Maybe K-1 Mark V will be perfect ... year 2030?

)

I've been very happy with all of my Pentax DSLR's so far. Started from K200D and K-1 is the 6th. (K-5 and K-3 also still in use.) Oh, one exception: I was a little (but not much) disappointed in the high ISO (800 or above) performance of K-7.

**cpk** · 05-07-2021, 06:07 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by 5ks

Oh, one exception: I was a little (but not much) disappointed in the high ISO (800 or above) performance of K-7.

When I got my K-5 II to go with my K-5, I converted my K-7 to infrared where high ISO is not that important. My IR work is done outdoors. For now and the foreseeable future I am sticking with APS-C because it does what I want to do and I have all the lenses I need.

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05-05-2021, 01:43 AM	#266
Mr. B Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Varaždin, Croatia, Europe Photos: Gallery Posts: 295	Started with the K10D, moved to m43. I realised I miss the shallow DoF sometimes and using old lenses (K mount and m42) So I bought the K-1. Amazing camera Love the dynamic range and the amazing resolution Last edited by Mr. B; 05-05-2021 at 02:44 AM.

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04-20-2021, 07:52 AM	#256
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Portraits and shallower depth of field.

04-21-2021, 03:03 PM	#257
Nayu Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 57	Originally posted by reh321 Then should consider the K-3iii and going back to “APS-C”. The AF improvements are tempting along with the better low light performance! However I don't have large aperture lenses so the K-1 ii helps a bit there. Why the quotes around APS-C?

04-21-2021, 03:40 PM	#258
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Nayu The AF improvements are tempting along with the better low light performance! However I don't have large aperture lenses so the K-1 ii helps a bit there. Why the quotes around APS-C? I guess it is just a personal idiosyncrasy to write “APS-C” and “FF”. Those are common designations, but the origins are kind of strange.

04-21-2021, 07:16 PM - 1 Like	#259
weverka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Boulder CO Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 133	Originally posted by reh321 I guess it is just a personal idiosyncrasy to write “APS-C” and “FF”. Those are common designations, but the origins are kind of strange. My favorite is the "one inch" sensor, which has a 16mm diagonal!

04-21-2021, 11:17 PM	#260
Nayu Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 57	Originally posted by reh321 I guess it is just a personal idiosyncrasy to write “APS-C” and “FF”. Those are common designations, but the origins are kind of strange. Now that I think about it, I guess MF would be fuller frame... ---------- Post added 04-21-21 at 11:18 PM ---------- Originally posted by weverka My favorite is the "one inch" sensor, which has a 16mm diagonal! I just read a bit about this and I feel scammed hahaha

04-22-2021, 06:14 AM	#261
hadi Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 563	I wanted to get more real estate out of my sensor, and to get a shallower depth of field, and also for low light capabilities, without having to crank the ISOs too high. by real estate, i mean my 50mm didn't require me to stand FAR away to capture something. with the full frame, even an 85 was a perfect lens to use indoors. the crop wont allow me to do so. i'm happy i switched.

04-22-2021, 06:38 AM	#262
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	I'm glad I eventually upgraded to ff, raws from my k-1 look better than ones from my pls Olympus EM1 and from GRIII. Cleaner shadows, better color & tone, super flexible raws. Trade offs are obvious too, size, bulk, price etc etc.

04-22-2021, 07:48 AM - 1 Like	#263
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by hadi I wanted to get more real estate out of my sensor, and to get a shallower depth of field, and also for low light capabilities, without having to crank the ISOs too high. by real estate, i mean my 50mm didn't require me to stand FAR away to capture something. with the full frame, even an 85 was a perfect lens to use indoors. the crop wont allow me to do so. My KP gives me good shots at ISO values 12K or higher, and I expect even better from the K-3iii. I use wider lenses - say at 30mm - instead of 50mm. So in general, these reasons may be great for you, but I wouldn't switch to a K-1 for either of them.

04-22-2021, 10:39 AM	#264
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	i have mixed reasons including but not limited to: - similar or better high ISO performance than K5 with no reduction in resolution - improved AF performance - compatibility with latest lenses and knowing that i only own only 2 cropped sensor lenses (sigma 10-20 and samyang 8mm fisheye) every other lens i own from 14mm to 500 mm (at the time) was full frame already

04-26-2021, 07:40 AM	#265
hadi Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 563	Originally posted by reh321 My KP gives me good shots at ISO values 12K or higher, and I expect even better from the K-3iii. I use wider lenses - say at 30mm - instead of 50mm. So in general, these reasons may be great for you, but I wouldn't switch to a K-1 for either of them. oh absolutely! I mean, if the camera gear you have works for you, then no need to 'upgrade'. If I wasn't into portraits, and preferred, say, wildlife, then I'd go with crop. Moreover, if my photoshop skills were better, then it wont really matter what camera gear i have.

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05-05-2021, 02:34 AM	#267
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by reh321 My KP gives me good shots at ISO values 12K or higher, and I expect even better from the K-3iii. I use wider lenses - say at 30mm - instead of 50mm. So in general, these reasons may be great for you, but I wouldn't switch to a K-1 for either of them. Of course. This thread is about personal reasons for going full frame. They don't necessarily apply to anyone else. You shoot telephoto a lot. I seldom shoot anything longer than my FA 135mm on my K-1. Neither one of us is wrong, but it certainly will lead us in different directions as far as gear we choose.

05-06-2021, 03:26 PM - 1 Like	#268
travelswsage Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 385	I got old and my 4x5 got to heavy. And the Pentax 67 wasn't much lighter. And don't get me started on the cost of film and processing ... hence full-frame digital.

05-07-2021, 08:59 AM	#269
5ks Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 681	This thread is a wonderful listing of arguments with various aspects and motives. I appreciate you all sharing your views. If I re-think my own reasons for purchasing K-1, the most important were options for a shallow DOF and better high ISO performance. Third - 36 Mpix, I guess, or the overall improved image quality. I'm very happy with my K-1, although it's not perfect. (Maybe K-1 Mark V will be perfect ... year 2030? ) I've been very happy with all of my Pentax DSLR's so far. Started from K200D and K-1 is the 6th. (K-5 and K-3 also still in use.) Oh, one exception: I was a little (but not much) disappointed in the high ISO (800 or above) performance of K-7.

05-07-2021, 06:07 PM - 1 Like	#270
cpk Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Montreal Posts: 638	Originally posted by 5ks Oh, one exception: I was a little (but not much) disappointed in the high ISO (800 or above) performance of K-7. When I got my K-5 II to go with my K-5, I converted my K-7 to infrared where high ISO is not that important. My IR work is done outdoors. For now and the foreseeable future I am sticking with APS-C because it does what I want to do and I have all the lenses I need.