Originally posted by PiDicus Rex LCD haze, yup,.. comes from the back-lighting. LED is better the Cold Cathode.
Plasma, yee-uck, blurry. I reckon there's something done in the image processing done inside the display, noise filtering or some such, but I have never seen a Plasma tv that I liked.
On all modern screens, first thing I do is turn all the 'enhancement' functions off, and then see what the image really looks like.
Now, OLED,... gives me a reason to give up my ex-broadcast CRT's.
But I still don't think there is any advantage in 4K over HD to average people sitting at home in their couches looking at broadcast images that we create. Most people can't even tell that the majority of what is broadcast as HD (here in Australia) is up-converted SD, or that what they see as 1920x1080, is really 1440x1080 stretched to fit.
And 80" TV's are the exception, not the norm.
4K, and 8K, offer plenty of advantages in the content creation side, but by the time it's in the viewers lounge room, via limited bandwidth and high compression of broadcast and cable, most of what you and I cherish in detail is gone.
That detail brings me back to wanting better CoDecs in all these ProSumer and Pro Grade cameras. More data means more detail, and that gives us more options on where we can send our footage.
Give the K3 (and the K-01
) HD with CinemaDNG, and the mythic FF camera 4K CinemaDNG, put them on a decent tripod or shoulder rig, and I think I could produce vision that would make people think I was shooting on Epic or Alexa.
Not sure about that. My CCFL LCD monitor looks pretty good, and IIRC high end monitors use CCFL instead of LED cause of their wider gamut. The haze I'm talking about might come from anti glare coatings? Though I don't like LCDs that don't have these coatings... better plasmas have some pretty nice coating that is like what would be used on glasses, instead of just blurrying the reflections as LCD screens do.
And I can absolutely not understand what you see with plasmas. There is no filtering, no denoising, no enhancements in a plasma (not that I know of). Well, there are some that have these features, but they are not needed. For a LCD it is hard to switch between colors, shades, brightness, ... it takes some time. That's why they can't deal with noise at all, and need massive filtering. There is the overdrive technology widely employed these days, but it is good at changing from black to white and back. But if it is from grey to a slightly darker grey...
On the other hand a plasma is very fast. It can display any content easily, no matter how noisy. The only thing you can't do is stand very close to the screen and observe it that way. Plasmas can only display something like 25000 or 30000 colors, the rest is done via dithering. Works very well, but you can't touch the screen with your nose. At any reasonable viewing distance there shouldn't be a problem, it shouldn't distract or even be noticeable.
OLED I'm not 100% convinced yet. They too can't produce 100% black, at least my phone can't (though it gets very close), but the burn in is quite bad. Colors are too saturated, but that can be calibrated. Colors, brightness etc. changes depending on how you used the screen. Say you always watch Cinemascope content on your OLED screen, and then you watch something 16:9, you may notice that the upper and lower part of the screen is brighter. Similar issue as with plasma screens. Also, only expect sort of affordable OLED TVs in 3, 4 years.
A plasma is the closest thing to a CRT you can get. It is relatively similar anyway. (SED is even closer to a CRT, but the tech seems to have gone no where...). I wonder what happened to Laser TVs... LG seems to have a projector using lasers that is pretty good, and Mitsubishi had rear projection TVs using lasers. I have never seen any of those though.
4K will look great on the next generation of discs. A Blu Ray for example looks much, much better than 1080p streamed through the internet, or through cable or satellite. As long as there is enough bandwidth there is an advantage. Even 1080p streams over the internet could look quite good if the encoder would be able to make use of all h264 features and have enough time/power to encode. Problem is some decoder chips can't decode those files then... I hope when they switch to h265 broadcasts/discs are specified so that device makers need to support it all at obscene settings.
I wonder what CRTs you have. 1080p ones? I've never seen one of those, except for 1080p capable computer monitors...