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11-23-2021, 05:04 AM - 1 Like   #93421
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QuoteOriginally posted by robtcorl Quote
I tie a mean square knot, that's about it.
Good for wrapping a rope around something, but not safe for tying two ropes together. Better use a sheet bend for that (or any number of other bends, just not the square knot).

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Good for wrapping a rope around something, but not safe for tying two ropes together. Better use a sheet bend for that (or any number of other bends, just not the square knot).
I tie my boot laces with a modified square knot.
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It seems Dyneema rope is so slippery that people use splices rather than knots unless the knots are stitched or taped.

But even in the Ashley Book of Knots you find hints for e.g. the bowlne knot:

#1010 "Properly tied in ordinary rope, there is little or no danger of a BOWLINE KNOT'S capsizing before the breaking point of the rope itself is reached."

and

#1013 "The DOUBLE or ROUND TURN BOWLINE is put into stiff or slippery rope [...] It holds the BOWLINE together in such a way as to lessen the danger of its capsizing, which is liable to occur when a SINGLE BOWLINE is carelessly drawn up."

Thanks, I haven’t used Dyneema (or Spectra) myself and that’s handy to know. That said, they’re often used as substitutes for steel and I haven’t knotted steel either.

I’ll also highlight the importance of tying a knot carefully - the strongest knot or hitch will fail if done slapdash.
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A reminder to stock up, tomorrow, Nov. 24, is National Sardines Day.
Already there for some of youse guys.

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Indeed very useful. Here's an alternative way to tie it, very hard to get wrong, easy to remember.

https://youtu.be/n2aRj8dQPRQ
Easy way to do a double alpine butterfly (do an extra loop around the hand and pull two through).

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Good for wrapping a rope around something, but not safe for tying two ropes together. Better use a sheet bend for that (or any number of other bends, just not the square knot).
On the topic of alpine butterflies, one can also use it as a bend to join rope (instead of a loop, you get two ends).
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QuoteOriginally posted by StiffLegged Quote
and I haven’t knotted steel either.
How hard can it be?

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Agreed.

Usually, the sashes are 45mm thick and the sash weight between 40-45mm square or round. So, the "easier" way to do it is to slide the lower sash up as far as it will go and prop it in place. Then, cut out a top and bottom cut for the access panel, hard against the parting bead and hard against the inside trim bead, and angle the top and bottom "horizontal" cuts so that when you put the access panel back it can't push "in" to the sash weight "box". It is, of course, not possible to only do this because to fit the new ropes you need to get the sashes out, and to do that you have no choice but to remove the parting bead and inner trim beads so as to be able to do that. But, at least it avoids removing the architrave on the inside which often was the only way to access the "box". The better windows had pre-made access panels in the sliding area but often they're painted shut. the cheaper windows have no access panels and you need to remove the whole inside "face" which is a royal pain. At least, with painted timber, it's easier to hide these repairs.

The nicest sliding sashes I've seen don't use ropes, but chains which last practically forever, never stretch and never need replacing.
By golly I never would have thought the American craftsmen who hand-built those sashes in 1906 would have even owned a metric-based measuring tool. But they must have because those sashes ARE 45mm thick!

Those same craftsmen got smart with the big double-hung windows in the living room - they used steel bands instead of rope. Sure wish they had done the same for the rest of the nearly 30 windows!

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BTW, you're a good man, racer, taking care of your mom.
Thank you #2.

It is the least I can do, as she gave me life 65 years ago.

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QuoteOriginally posted by savoche Quote
How hard can it be?

https://youtu.be/xCTlSuP-rd0
Fascinating.

Interesting how he uses both metric and inches.

Oh, and it would be a cinch to make the bends by first heating the rebar with a torch. Makes the steel malleable, and it would bend like a limp noodle while cherry red.
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QuoteOriginally posted by savoche Quote
How hard can it be?

https://youtu.be/xCTlSuP-rd0
Oh, and I'd like to see him tie a monkey fist with rebar.

11-23-2021, 09:18 AM - 3 Likes   #93431
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QuoteOriginally posted by Racer X 69 Quote
I tie my boot laces with a modified square knot.
I tie my shoe laces in what I call a hockey knot. I learned it when I was about six years old and on a hockey team...I wasn't on a professional Canadian hockey team when I was six, in case anyone is wondering.

Nobody wondering ?

Thought so. I will continue on.

Step one. -I pull the laces tight and wrap them around about 3 times. Not twice, but thrice...as less likelihood of slippage.

Step two. - I tie one loop and pull tight.

Step three.- I tie another loop and pull tight.

Voila !

I don't ever experience any loose laces, and the shoe/boot is on snug.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Racer X 69 Quote
Thank you #2.

It is the least I can do, as she gave life 65 years ago.
YW.

I agree. Completely.
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QuoteOriginally posted by robtcorl Quote
A reminder to stock up, tomorrow, Nov. 24, is National Sardines Day.
Already there for some of youse guys.
I already stocked up, but on International Sardine Day, as I celebrate International Sardine Day.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Racer X 69 Quote
One would not want to lick the paint, as it is likely lead based.
It will stop you pinging. That's what lead was for wasn't it?

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QuoteOriginally posted by savoche Quote
Good for wrapping a rope around something, but not safe for tying two ropes together. Better use a sheet bend for that (or any number of other bends, just not the square knot).
I learned to tie the square knot as a cub scout. But we called it a reef knot.

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