would any one mask the ricoh on k3

mrNewt · 11-07-2013, 08:23 AM

I think when Ricoh's logo starts "touching you there", you should start "feeling uncomfortable"

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Until then, who cares? K-mount and Pentax heritage lives on and you know the camera in your hands IS a Pentax.
Ricoh's logo is just there reminding people that Pentax name after all these years is finally back in the game with a good strong support from a well founded company.

Ricoh owns the name and company Pentax. Is up to them to use the name as they see fit. So far I think they show the right respect. The sooner you accept that the happier you will feel

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**THoog** · 11-07-2013, 08:24 AM

I can't find a single picture of a new HD lens with a Ricoh logo. Every image I could find said "Pentax". As for the box, who carries the box around with them? The K-3 does have "Ricoh" on the back, but as several have said, at least they are willing to put their own name on the product.

Pentax as a separate entity ceased to exist in 2007, when Hoya bought the company for the medical imaging division. We can pretend it didn't happen, we can cry over the grave, but it it's a fact. It happened. Pentax died - six years ago. Ricoh bought a camera division that Hoya didn't want, and is putting time, money, and effort into it. I wouldn't deny them a little bit of ink with their name on it.

**pearsaab** · 11-07-2013, 08:29 AM

honestly i don't even notice it

Dr_who · 11-07-2013, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by pentax user

I don't have a k3 yet but the box and the new hd coating lenses have a big ricoh then a small pentax logo. Makes me uncomfortable. I know it doens't affect the performance. I am sure konica minolta fan didn't the sony logo back then.

don't know should this thread in pentax k3 section or accessory section.

Take some Tums and get over it. It's a Ricoh system and I think it's great that Ricoh is on the back.

Also my HD 15mm does say Pentax on the lens not Ricoh.

**monochrome** · 11-07-2013, 08:45 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by pentax user

what is pentax end up like konica minolta, no more pentax just ricoh everything, ricoh k mount and pentax is just some water pump company
no one cares?

Oh Please. Just Stop. 67 Posts, including this one.

If you would read the Forum once in a while you would know that Konica Minolta did not sell the rights to their name when they sold the camera division to Sony. Konica Minolta still exists. It makes copiers and other office equipment under that name. Sony didn't discard the Konica Minolta name - it was forced by Konica Minolta to use Sony as a brand for their cameras.

Ricoh bought Pentax and the rights to use the Pentax name on cameras and related optical equipment. Pentax is also used on eyeglass lenses and Medical devices owned by other companies. Ricoh does not compete with these companies, so everyone is comfortable with the arrangement.

**ak_kiwi** · 11-07-2013, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by pentax user

don't know should this thread in pentax k3 section or accessory section.

Neither - should be in the "really silly comment section"

pentax user · 11-07-2013, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Oh Please. Just Stop. 67 Posts, including this one.

If you would read the Forum once in a while you would know that Konica Minolta did not sell the rights to their name when they sold the camera division to Sony. Konica Minolta still exists. It makes copiers and other office equipment under that name. Sony didn't discard the Konica Minolta name - it was forced by Konica Minolta to use Sony as a brand for their cameras.

Ricoh bought Pentax and the rights to use the Pentax name on cameras and related optical equipment. Pentax is also used on eyeglass lenses and Medical devices owned by other companies. Ricoh does not compete with these companies, so everyone is comfortable with the arrangement.

but sony is not making any photocopier so it's not a competition to konica minolta

**boriscleto** · 11-07-2013, 09:23 AM - **1 Like**

boriscleto'd ®

NicoleC · 11-07-2013, 09:25 AM

Not only would I not deface the camera, I wouldn't buy one used that someone had done so. What other crap did they do to the camera, would be my concern.

When I was in high school, there were a lot of people *obsessed* with what logo was on someone else's jeans or shirt. It wasn't about quality or fit or appearance, it was merely about having a "cool" brand. I suppose it still goes on, but I don't pay any attention.

I don't care about what everyone else thinks of my camera brand. If I did, I'd have a Canon or a Nikon I guess, and if horror of horrors I owned an uncool Pentax, the only person likely to see the small "RICOH" on the back is me. When you point the camera at someone, it says (in a much larger and bolder font) PENTAX.

ChrisA · 11-07-2013, 09:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pentax user

what is pentax end up like konica minolta, no more pentax just ricoh everything, ricoh k mount and pentax is just some water pump company
no one cares?

I don't.

Frankly, having been a Pentax user since the mid 80s, I feel let down.

They were slow into digital, and they've been playing catchup, and not very fast, at that, ever since istD days.

We've had slow AF, a shockingly and in fact laughably poor lens line-up, broken stop-down metering, bounce-flash exposure problems, wonky electronic levels, sensor stains, lens-release buttons falling off, shitty door quality on the AF360 ... the list goes on....

... all mixed up with superb ergonomics and a few excellent innovations that keep us hanging on. It wasn't till the K-5 that things finally started to come right.

A prime case of "almost but not quite", year after year.

There is now, finally, a glimmer of hope on the horizon, new lenses, and a decent range of bodies including a top of the range APS-C camera that doesn't have embarrassing AF. And maybe full frame round the corner, not that I care about that.

Provided Ricoh keeps the K mount, and the design philosophy, brings out some more long fast lenses and most importantly doesn't take its foot off the gas pedal with the investment and innovation, I really think the Pentax brand name deserves everything it gets.

**monochrome** · 11-07-2013, 09:41 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by boriscleto

boriscleto'd ®

Ditto.

Yes, Miss Crabapple.

I will not be Mod bait.
I will not be Mod bait.
I will not be Mod bait.

**monochrome** · 11-07-2013, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by pentax user

but sony is not making any photocopier so it's not a competition to konica minolta

Really? Begone.

**THoog** · 11-07-2013, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Ditto.

Yes, Miss Crabapple.

I will not be Mod bait.
I will not be Mod bait.
I will not be Mod bait.

You've got to hold on! It hasn't turned into a FF thread - yet...

**THoog** · 11-07-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by pentax user

but sony is not making any photocopier so it's not a competition to konica minolta

It doesn't matter if they are competition or not - Konica Minolta did not transfer rights to the name to Sony when they sold the camera division. Sony can't just decide to put "Minolta" on their cameras, because Konica Minolta had that right, and they reserved that right.

Hoya sold, licensed, or transferred the "Pentax" name to Ricoh for cameras and sporting optics, to Asahi for surveying equipment, to Seiko for some of their products, and kept it to themselves for Medical imaging. If Asahi Optical Company had had any trademark rights to water pumps, Hoya would have sold them to that Italian water pump company by now.

**rbefly** · 11-07-2013, 09:55 AM

Me too.
borisceleto'd.
This thread makes me uncomfortable.
Ron

11-07-2013, 08:45 AM - 2 Likes	#20
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Stiop stirring up needless FUD. We've been over this 100 times already. Originally posted by pentax user what is pentax end up like konica minolta, no more pentax just ricoh everything, ricoh k mount and pentax is just some water pump company no one cares? Oh Please. Just Stop. 67 Posts, including this one. If you would read the Forum once in a while you would know that Konica Minolta did not sell the rights to their name when they sold the camera division to Sony. Konica Minolta still exists. It makes copiers and other office equipment under that name. Sony didn't discard the Konica Minolta name - it was forced by Konica Minolta to use Sony as a brand for their cameras. Ricoh bought Pentax and the rights to use the Pentax name on cameras and related optical equipment. Pentax is also used on eyeglass lenses and Medical devices owned by other companies. Ricoh does not compete with these companies, so everyone is comfortable with the arrangement.

11-07-2013, 09:39 AM - 1 Like	#25
ChrisA Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: London Posts: 393	Originally posted by pentax user what is pentax end up like konica minolta, no more pentax just ricoh everything, ricoh k mount and pentax is just some water pump company no one cares? I don't. Frankly, having been a Pentax user since the mid 80s, I feel let down. They were slow into digital, and they've been playing catchup, and not very fast, at that, ever since istD days. We've had slow AF, a shockingly and in fact laughably poor lens line-up, broken stop-down metering, bounce-flash exposure problems, wonky electronic levels, sensor stains, lens-release buttons falling off, shitty door quality on the AF360 ... the list goes on.... ... all mixed up with superb ergonomics and a few excellent innovations that keep us hanging on. It wasn't till the K-5 that things finally started to come right. A prime case of "almost but not quite", year after year. There is now, finally, a glimmer of hope on the horizon, new lenses, and a decent range of bodies including a top of the range APS-C camera that doesn't have embarrassing AF. And maybe full frame round the corner, not that I care about that. Provided Ricoh keeps the K mount, and the design philosophy, brings out some more long fast lenses and most importantly doesn't take its foot off the gas pedal with the investment and innovation, I really think the Pentax brand name deserves everything it gets. Last edited by ChrisA; 11-07-2013 at 09:46 AM.

11-07-2013, 09:41 AM - 1 Like	#26
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by boriscleto boriscleto'd ® Ditto. Yes, Miss Crabapple. I will not be Mod bait. I will not be Mod bait. I will not be Mod bait. Last edited by monochrome; 11-07-2013 at 09:46 AM.

11-07-2013, 09:55 AM	#30
rbefly Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado Photos: Albums Posts: 2,030	Yer Out! Me too. borisceleto'd. This thread makes me uncomfortable. Ron

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11-07-2013, 08:23 AM	#16
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	I think when Ricoh's logo starts "touching you there", you should start "feeling uncomfortable" . Until then, who cares? K-mount and Pentax heritage lives on and you know the camera in your hands IS a Pentax. Ricoh's logo is just there reminding people that Pentax name after all these years is finally back in the game with a good strong support from a well founded company. Ricoh owns the name and company Pentax. Is up to them to use the name as they see fit. So far I think they show the right respect. The sooner you accept that the happier you will feel .

11-07-2013, 08:24 AM	#17
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	I can't find a single picture of a new HD lens with a Ricoh logo. Every image I could find said "Pentax". As for the box, who carries the box around with them? The K-3 does have "Ricoh" on the back, but as several have said, at least they are willing to put their own name on the product. Pentax as a separate entity ceased to exist in 2007, when Hoya bought the company for the medical imaging division. We can pretend it didn't happen, we can cry over the grave, but it it's a fact. It happened. Pentax died - six years ago. Ricoh bought a camera division that Hoya didn't want, and is putting time, money, and effort into it. I wouldn't deny them a little bit of ink with their name on it.

11-07-2013, 08:29 AM	#18
pearsaab Otis Memorial Pentaxian Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2011 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,900	honestly i don't even notice it

11-07-2013, 08:31 AM	#19
Dr_who Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 777	Originally posted by pentax user I don't have a k3 yet but the box and the new hd coating lenses have a big ricoh then a small pentax logo. Makes me uncomfortable. I know it doens't affect the performance. I am sure konica minolta fan didn't the sony logo back then. don't know should this thread in pentax k3 section or accessory section. Take some Tums and get over it. It's a Ricoh system and I think it's great that Ricoh is on the back. Also my HD 15mm does say Pentax on the lens not Ricoh.

11-07-2013, 08:49 AM	#21
ak_kiwi Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Auckland, New Zealand. Posts: 328	Originally posted by pentax user don't know should this thread in pentax k3 section or accessory section. Neither - should be in the "really silly comment section"

11-07-2013, 09:05 AM	#22
pentax user Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 85 Original Poster	Originally posted by monochrome Oh Please. Just Stop. 67 Posts, including this one. If you would read the Forum once in a while you would know that Konica Minolta did not sell the rights to their name when they sold the camera division to Sony. Konica Minolta still exists. It makes copiers and other office equipment under that name. Sony didn't discard the Konica Minolta name - it was forced by Konica Minolta to use Sony as a brand for their cameras. Ricoh bought Pentax and the rights to use the Pentax name on cameras and related optical equipment. Pentax is also used on eyeglass lenses and Medical devices owned by other companies. Ricoh does not compete with these companies, so everyone is comfortable with the arrangement. but sony is not making any photocopier so it's not a competition to konica minolta

11-07-2013, 09:23 AM - 1 Like	#23
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11-07-2013, 09:25 AM	#24
NicoleC Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Madison, AL Posts: 448	Not only would I not deface the camera, I wouldn't buy one used that someone had done so. What other crap did they do to the camera, would be my concern. When I was in high school, there were a lot of people obsessed with what logo was on someone else's jeans or shirt. It wasn't about quality or fit or appearance, it was merely about having a "cool" brand. I suppose it still goes on, but I don't pay any attention. I don't care about what everyone else thinks of my camera brand. If I did, I'd have a Canon or a Nikon I guess, and if horror of horrors I owned an uncool Pentax, the only person likely to see the small "RICOH" on the back is me. When you point the camera at someone, it says (in a much larger and bolder font) PENTAX.

11-07-2013, 09:45 AM	#27
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by pentax user but sony is not making any photocopier so it's not a competition to konica minolta Really? Begone.

11-07-2013, 09:52 AM	#28
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by monochrome Ditto. Yes, Miss Crabapple. I will not be Mod bait. I will not be Mod bait. I will not be Mod bait. You've got to hold on! It hasn't turned into a FF thread - yet...

11-07-2013, 09:55 AM	#29
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by pentax user but sony is not making any photocopier so it's not a competition to konica minolta It doesn't matter if they are competition or not - Konica Minolta did not transfer rights to the name to Sony when they sold the camera division. Sony can't just decide to put "Minolta" on their cameras, because Konica Minolta had that right, and they reserved that right. Hoya sold, licensed, or transferred the "Pentax" name to Ricoh for cameras and sporting optics, to Asahi for surveying equipment, to Seiko for some of their products, and kept it to themselves for Medical imaging. If Asahi Optical Company had had any trademark rights to water pumps, Hoya would have sold them to that Italian water pump company by now.