DPReview - no favors from them

dansamy · 12-04-2013, 04:35 PM

Obligatory "Pentax is doomed" post.

**THoog** · 12-04-2013, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

And all that cycles back to the installed base of K-mounts, which drives every decision Ricoh makes for Pentax. Colors on entry and mid-range? Does it sell more K-mounts? (we don't care what is wrapped around the mount - just get more K-mounts out there). K-500 for US and EU only? Does it sell more K-mounts? (K3) Halo APSc DSLR? Does it sell more K-mounts? Halo 24x36 DSLR? Does it sell more K-mounts?

There is some magic number of installed K-mounts at which 3P makers can sell their lenses to us. We don't know what the number is, nor how to get to it - but you can bet Ricoh knows, and you can bet they know because they've asked, and you can bet they've shared the outline of their business plan with the 3P makers so when certain targets are hit plans can be made.

I'll add that the Magic Number appears to be little different for each maker - we went below it for Zeiss and Tamron, are bouncing around it for Sigma, and even nibbled at it for Samyang (not enough K film shooters to justify a K version of the FF Tilt-Shift).

snake · 12-04-2013, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Tom S.

You were the one who brought up heavy handed moderation, not me. Best if you let it alone at that.

Please keep it on topic. Moderators should especially not be creating flamebait.

snake · 12-04-2013, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by THoog

I'll add that the Magic Number appears to be little different for each maker - we went below it for Zeiss and Tamron, are bouncing around it for Sigma, and even nibbled at it for Samyang (not enough K film shooters to justify a K version of the FF Tilt-Shift).

Samyang is an interesting case, actually. They seem to have a lot of resources, while, at the same time, still looking at the books for different markets. They're not that big overall in Europe, but various countries have bigger penetration by them, typically just slightly east and slightly west of Germany.

**woodywesty** · 12-04-2013, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by DDoram

Don't bet on the Sigma 400 f2.8 being available in Pentax mount and if it was, it would be very pricey so hardly anyone could afford it.

Dale

Well I'm sure that a Sigma 400 2.8 wouldn't come cheap but it would be less expensive than a Pentax, Nikon or Canon 400mm 2.8 lens thus making it our cheapest option. I'd bet though that it would be more costly than the Sigma 500mm lens though..

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12-04-2013, 04:35 PM	#46
dansamy Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,450	Obligatory "Pentax is doomed" post.

12-04-2013, 04:46 PM	#47
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by monochrome And all that cycles back to the installed base of K-mounts, which drives every decision Ricoh makes for Pentax. Colors on entry and mid-range? Does it sell more K-mounts? (we don't care what is wrapped around the mount - just get more K-mounts out there). K-500 for US and EU only? Does it sell more K-mounts? (K3) Halo APSc DSLR? Does it sell more K-mounts? Halo 24x36 DSLR? Does it sell more K-mounts? There is some magic number of installed K-mounts at which 3P makers can sell their lenses to us. We don't know what the number is, nor how to get to it - but you can bet Ricoh knows, and you can bet they know because they've asked, and you can bet they've shared the outline of their business plan with the 3P makers so when certain targets are hit plans can be made. I'll add that the Magic Number appears to be little different for each maker - we went below it for Zeiss and Tamron, are bouncing around it for Sigma, and even nibbled at it for Samyang (not enough K film shooters to justify a K version of the FF Tilt-Shift).

12-04-2013, 04:49 PM	#48
snake Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NY/Germany Posts: 1,183	Originally posted by Tom S. You were the one who brought up heavy handed moderation, not me. Best if you let it alone at that. Please keep it on topic. Moderators should especially not be creating flamebait.

12-04-2013, 04:51 PM	#49
snake Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: NY/Germany Posts: 1,183	Originally posted by THoog I'll add that the Magic Number appears to be little different for each maker - we went below it for Zeiss and Tamron, are bouncing around it for Sigma, and even nibbled at it for Samyang (not enough K film shooters to justify a K version of the FF Tilt-Shift). Samyang is an interesting case, actually. They seem to have a lot of resources, while, at the same time, still looking at the books for different markets. They're not that big overall in Europe, but various countries have bigger penetration by them, typically just slightly east and slightly west of Germany.

12-04-2013, 05:54 PM	#50
woodywesty Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Northern Wisconsin Posts: 725	Originally posted by DDoram Don't bet on the Sigma 400 f2.8 being available in Pentax mount and if it was, it would be very pricey so hardly anyone could afford it. Dale Well I'm sure that a Sigma 400 2.8 wouldn't come cheap but it would be less expensive than a Pentax, Nikon or Canon 400mm 2.8 lens thus making it our cheapest option. I'd bet though that it would be more costly than the Sigma 500mm lens though..