K-3 best DSLR of 2013 on DPR poll !

Na Horuk · 12-19-2013, 12:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

This is the part of the Pentax forum, I finds most amusing… rousing the rabble to fudge a poll.

Meh, you need to login to vote on that poll. The main point of that poll is for DPR to get more members, so there is not really anything to fudge. Its not like users can vote which camera is "best" - I doubt any of us had all of those cameras at our disposal. Or even most of them. We only vote to have our voice heard, and DPR allows it to get more hits. But! I maybe if we are loud enough, DPR might notice Pentax a little more.

**Rondec** · 12-19-2013, 01:06 PM

It is such a silly poll. How many people have actually used a Nikon df, a Canon D70, Nikon D7100, and a Pentax K3? Much less the cheap end cameras... I guess this ends up being more of a poll of the people who frequent DP Review and how rabid each brand's fans are. All well and good and I suppose Pentax fans probably do pretty well in that, but it probably won't make a difference for anybody's choice of a camera.

By the way, I've got to create three more DP Review user IDs so I can vote three more times...

**monochrome** · 12-19-2013, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

It is such a silly poll. How many people have actually used a Nikon df, a Canon D70, Nikon D7100, and a Pentax K3? Much less the cheap end cameras... I guess this ends up being more of a poll of the people who frequent DP Review and how rabid each brand's fans are. All well and good and I suppose Pentax fans probably do pretty well in that, but it probably won't make a difference for anybody's choice of a camera.

By the way, I've got to create three more DP Review user IDs so I can vote three more times...

When I leave there I always feel the same as I do when I leave a car dealer's showroom.

Thankfully I only need to do either once every four years.

Jon · 12-19-2013, 01:13 PM

Anyone else find it confounding that the K-3 section of the Forum is plagued with posts discussing the issues we have faced with the camera...
Yet among all these is a post asking us to vote for it as DSLR of the year?

mrNewt · 12-19-2013, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Jon

Anyone else find it confounding that the K-3 section of the Forum is plagued with posts discussing the issues we have faced with the camera...
Yet among all these is a post asking us to vote for it as DSLR of the year?

Show me one camera on that list that didn't had any kind of issues since the day it was launched... or had people not complaining about it...

Jon · 12-19-2013, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by mrNewt

Show me one camera on that list that didn't had any kind of issues since the day it was launched... or had people not complaining about it...

mrNewt.
I am not trying to stir things up by any means. Up to this week, I would have been totally on board. And I agree that some people just like to complain. But having experienced two hard failures in 3 days (had to remove the OEM battery from the k-3 to stop the issues) I am just saying that I have become reluctant. I like my k-30 and have never experienced an issue. I have also put Canon 5d's through absolute hell without a hiccup. But in clean and controlled conditions I expect a companies flagship to be a little more reliable or consistent. That being said, I am not abandoning ship. I hope by firmware 1.0whatever they get it all sorted, because when this camera is not freaking out, it's brilliant.

mrNewt · 12-19-2013, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Jon

mrNewt.
I am not trying to stir things up by any means. Up to this week, I would have been totally on board. And I agree that some people just like to complain. But having experienced two hard failures in 3 days (had to remove the OEM battery from the k-3 to stop the issues) I am just saying that I have become reluctant. I like my k-30 and have never experienced an issue. I have also put Canon 5d's through absolute hell without a hiccup. But in clean and controlled conditions I expect a companies flagship to be a little more reliable or consistent. That being said, I am not abandoning ship. I hope by firmware 1.0whatever they get it all sorted, because when this camera is not freaking out, it's brilliant.

James... is that you mate!?

I know you what you mean!
I was just trying to say that the grass is not that greener on the other side either...

**rbefly** · 12-19-2013, 01:46 PM

I agree with most of the above posts and will add another reason;
Many sites that purport themselves as 'experts' in some field, post "Best Of' lists regularly, usually at year's end. And just as regularly, these lists are met with howls from detractors, fanboys, gearheads. So, in response we see in many areas, an additional list; "Users Poll" or "Consumer Poll'.
"See, we're fair-minded, we gave you a list, too!" Of course, these two lists rarely, if ever, agree. We see this with film critics, music mags, automobile forums, virtually any field where there's major competing rivalries.
The users slam the 'official' site list for being elitist, out-of-touch, paid off by advertisers, unfair, etc. Some of which is undoubtly true.
The site scoffs at the "users" poll for being (again) fanboys, overreacting, under-researched, biased. Some of which is surely true.
Meantime, as Na Horuk points out, the site benefits by increased readership, membership and volume. Official winners crow about their victory, others grumble about the results. The site appears to be above-board by giving everyone a voice, failing to mention that the user's poll is virtually useless, a sop to the masses to keep them happy and coming back.
But occasionally, say for example here, if the K-3 happens (by divine intervention, pure luck or perhaps a full-court press) to win this particular poll, it would benefit Pentax much more than at any other recent time. Because the K-3 IS competitive with the D7100 or Canon 70D, on a level playing field. It is without a doubt one of the best, (if not THE BEST) APS-C DSLR available in 2013. Now the fact that Canon and Nikon outsell Pentax by roughly 90% to 10% in most markets, means any mention of near equality (much less superiority!) in a given class of camera, is near-heresy, a major blow has been struck. We've crashed the party and won't leave. Uninvited? Take your invite and stuff it.
JMO
Ron

Jon · 12-19-2013, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by mrNewt

James... is that you mate!?

I know you what you mean!
I was just trying to say that the grass is not that greener on the other side either...

Haha, "Great News!" I agree with you Newt.

**monochrome** · 12-19-2013, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Jon

the issues we have faced with the camera

Issues? What issues?

**Fontan** · 12-19-2013, 02:05 PM

I just casted 47 votes on Nikon df just to make it interesting.

stevebrot · 12-19-2013, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Issues? What issues?

Use yours a bit longer and try, really try and you will find an issue. That's why we buy cameras, right? To find issues?

Steve

...and if you don't find an issue of your own, you can always borrow one from another user. The same two or three are generously shared such that even people with no issues can talk about the issues they might have.

6BQ5 · 12-19-2013, 03:03 PM

If these kind of "Best of" polls upset you then head over to The Photo Rumors blog/website where there is a poll for Worst Camera if 2013.

Unfortunately, our beloved Q7 arbitrarily made the list.

NickLarsson · 12-19-2013, 06:15 PM

Don't forget to also vote for :
- Ricoh GR: Have your say: Best Fixed-lens Compact Camera of 2013: Digital Photography Review
- MX-1: Have Your Say: Best Enthusiast Zoom Compact of 2013: Digital Photography Review
- DA 20-40 Ltd: Have Your Say: Best Lens of 2013: Digital Photography Review

stevebrot · 12-19-2013, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by NickLarsson

Don't forget to also vote for :
- Ricoh GR: Have your say: Best Fixed-lens Compact Camera of 2013: Digital Photography Review
- MX-1: Have Your Say: Best Enthusiast Zoom Compact of 2013: Digital Photography Review
- DA 20-40 Ltd: Have Your Say: Best Lens of 2013: Digital Photography Review

They are flush with surveys, eh?

12-19-2013, 01:46 PM	#23
rbefly Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado Photos: Albums Posts: 2,030	One More Reason? I agree with most of the above posts and will add another reason; Many sites that purport themselves as 'experts' in some field, post "Best Of' lists regularly, usually at year's end. And just as regularly, these lists are met with howls from detractors, fanboys, gearheads. So, in response we see in many areas, an additional list; "Users Poll" or "Consumer Poll'. "See, we're fair-minded, we gave you a list, too!" Of course, these two lists rarely, if ever, agree. We see this with film critics, music mags, automobile forums, virtually any field where there's major competing rivalries. The users slam the 'official' site list for being elitist, out-of-touch, paid off by advertisers, unfair, etc. Some of which is undoubtly true. The site scoffs at the "users" poll for being (again) fanboys, overreacting, under-researched, biased. Some of which is surely true. Meantime, as Na Horuk points out, the site benefits by increased readership, membership and volume. Official winners crow about their victory, others grumble about the results. The site appears to be above-board by giving everyone a voice, failing to mention that the user's poll is virtually useless, a sop to the masses to keep them happy and coming back. But occasionally, say for example here, if the K-3 happens (by divine intervention, pure luck or perhaps a full-court press) to win this particular poll, it would benefit Pentax much more than at any other recent time. Because the K-3 IS competitive with the D7100 or Canon 70D, on a level playing field. It is without a doubt one of the best, (if not THE BEST) APS-C DSLR available in 2013. Now the fact that Canon and Nikon outsell Pentax by roughly 90% to 10% in most markets, means any mention of near equality (much less superiority!) in a given class of camera, is near-heresy, a major blow has been struck. We've crashed the party and won't leave. Uninvited? Take your invite and stuff it. JMO Ron

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12-19-2013, 12:55 PM - 1 Like	#16
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Originally posted by normhead This is the part of the Pentax forum, I finds most amusing… rousing the rabble to fudge a poll. Meh, you need to login to vote on that poll. The main point of that poll is for DPR to get more members, so there is not really anything to fudge. Its not like users can vote which camera is "best" - I doubt any of us had all of those cameras at our disposal. Or even most of them. We only vote to have our voice heard, and DPR allows it to get more hits. But! I maybe if we are loud enough, DPR might notice Pentax a little more.

12-19-2013, 01:06 PM	#17
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	It is such a silly poll. How many people have actually used a Nikon df, a Canon D70, Nikon D7100, and a Pentax K3? Much less the cheap end cameras... I guess this ends up being more of a poll of the people who frequent DP Review and how rabid each brand's fans are. All well and good and I suppose Pentax fans probably do pretty well in that, but it probably won't make a difference for anybody's choice of a camera. By the way, I've got to create three more DP Review user IDs so I can vote three more times...

12-19-2013, 01:13 PM	#18
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Rondec It is such a silly poll. How many people have actually used a Nikon df, a Canon D70, Nikon D7100, and a Pentax K3? Much less the cheap end cameras... I guess this ends up being more of a poll of the people who frequent DP Review and how rabid each brand's fans are. All well and good and I suppose Pentax fans probably do pretty well in that, but it probably won't make a difference for anybody's choice of a camera. By the way, I've got to create three more DP Review user IDs so I can vote three more times... When I leave there I always feel the same as I do when I leave a car dealer's showroom. Thankfully I only need to do either once every four years.

12-19-2013, 01:13 PM	#19
Jon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Goodyear, AZ Posts: 145	Anyone else find it confounding that the K-3 section of the Forum is plagued with posts discussing the issues we have faced with the camera... Yet among all these is a post asking us to vote for it as DSLR of the year?

12-19-2013, 01:17 PM	#20
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by Jon Anyone else find it confounding that the K-3 section of the Forum is plagued with posts discussing the issues we have faced with the camera... Yet among all these is a post asking us to vote for it as DSLR of the year? Show me one camera on that list that didn't had any kind of issues since the day it was launched... or had people not complaining about it...

12-19-2013, 01:32 PM	#21
Jon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Goodyear, AZ Posts: 145	Originally posted by mrNewt Show me one camera on that list that didn't had any kind of issues since the day it was launched... or had people not complaining about it... mrNewt. I am not trying to stir things up by any means. Up to this week, I would have been totally on board. And I agree that some people just like to complain. But having experienced two hard failures in 3 days (had to remove the OEM battery from the k-3 to stop the issues) I am just saying that I have become reluctant. I like my k-30 and have never experienced an issue. I have also put Canon 5d's through absolute hell without a hiccup. But in clean and controlled conditions I expect a companies flagship to be a little more reliable or consistent. That being said, I am not abandoning ship. I hope by firmware 1.0whatever they get it all sorted, because when this camera is not freaking out, it's brilliant.

12-19-2013, 01:37 PM	#22
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by Jon mrNewt. I am not trying to stir things up by any means. Up to this week, I would have been totally on board. And I agree that some people just like to complain. But having experienced two hard failures in 3 days (had to remove the OEM battery from the k-3 to stop the issues) I am just saying that I have become reluctant. I like my k-30 and have never experienced an issue. I have also put Canon 5d's through absolute hell without a hiccup. But in clean and controlled conditions I expect a companies flagship to be a little more reliable or consistent. That being said, I am not abandoning ship. I hope by firmware 1.0whatever they get it all sorted, because when this camera is not freaking out, it's brilliant. James... is that you mate!? I know you what you mean! I was just trying to say that the grass is not that greener on the other side either...

12-19-2013, 01:58 PM	#24
Jon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Goodyear, AZ Posts: 145	Originally posted by mrNewt James... is that you mate!? I know you what you mean! I was just trying to say that the grass is not that greener on the other side either... Haha, "Great News!" I agree with you Newt.

12-19-2013, 02:03 PM	#25
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Jon the issues we have faced with the camera Issues? What issues?

12-19-2013, 02:05 PM	#26
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	I just casted 47 votes on Nikon df just to make it interesting.

12-19-2013, 02:51 PM	#27
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by monochrome Issues? What issues? Use yours a bit longer and try, really try and you will find an issue. That's why we buy cameras, right? To find issues? Steve ...and if you don't find an issue of your own, you can always borrow one from another user. The same two or three are generously shared such that even people with no issues can talk about the issues they might have.

12-19-2013, 03:03 PM	#28
6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	If these kind of "Best of" polls upset you then head over to The Photo Rumors blog/website where there is a poll for Worst Camera if 2013. Unfortunately, our beloved Q7 arbitrarily made the list.

12-19-2013, 06:15 PM	#29
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	Don't forget to also vote for : - Ricoh GR: Have your say: Best Fixed-lens Compact Camera of 2013: Digital Photography Review - MX-1: Have Your Say: Best Enthusiast Zoom Compact of 2013: Digital Photography Review - DA 20-40 Ltd: Have Your Say: Best Lens of 2013: Digital Photography Review

12-19-2013, 06:51 PM	#30
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by NickLarsson Don't forget to also vote for : - Ricoh GR: Have your say: Best Fixed-lens Compact Camera of 2013: Digital Photography Review - MX-1: Have Your Say: Best Enthusiast Zoom Compact of 2013: Digital Photography Review - DA 20-40 Ltd: Have Your Say: Best Lens of 2013: Digital Photography Review They are flush with surveys, eh?